Finally popped my motor!

**twicks69** · 06-08-2005, 04:32 PM

Geez....It took long enough to finally die.

Was up at Wisconsin International Raceway in Appleton on Friday, when I was unfortunate enough to wheel hop the two front wheels on the launch.

Result: Popped my left outer axle out of the halfshaft bracket, blew out the bearings in the right outer CV joint, and now I have rod knock! woo hoo....

Also, looking to get Swain coated poly moly on skirts and rods, and street thermal coated on the piston domes.

Oh well any suggestions on piston/rod combos or any extra sets of 7-bolt 97-99 aftermarket rods, pistons, etc. for sale?

My rods of choice are preferably Oliver, Pauter, Carillo, Crower, or Eagle.

My pistons of choice are either Ross, Eagle or CP.

I would like also any testamonials regarding your experiences with these brands in your 4G63, import or domestic vehicle.

This will be a street motor, and will not need aluminum rods, so don't suggest Groden's (even though they are sweet!).

9.0:1 comp. ratio
.020" over.

Also, anyone have an extra HKS 272 intake cam sitting around for a 97-99 DSM? or HKS cam gears??

Thanks everyone,

**BAD LS1** · 06-08-2005, 04:38 PM

Yeah seems to be the hot new thing these days with motors blowin up... thats 3 people now from the baord with in 3 weeks.

**twicks69** · 06-11-2005, 02:58 PM

Well, I decided to do a little binge buying for my car, and ended up blowing a shitload of money.

Wallet = empty -> Car = fast

Hmmmm....I like that --I guess I will just get used to being broke.

Ended up going with an Eagle/Ross combination, also picked up a new crank, an HKS 272 intake cam (still had 264/272 setup), HKS cam gears on order, and plenty of other fun pieces.

Anybody have an extra 2G AEM EMS sitting around?? or a 95 Eprom with DSM Link? or a GM 3" MAS with MAF translator for 2g?

I really need to get rid of my AFC and 2G MAS, and remove my current restrictions in the setup.

**Junky Giorgio** · 06-12-2005, 01:47 AM

hmmmm...sounds like you got a nice set up going in...i went with the Ross/Eagle combo on my motor...can't complain...ya anyone have DSM LINK v2. as well??? i'm in need of one also...

**MY4RCDGSX** · 06-12-2005, 02:55 AM

Yet another one in line for DSMlink. Bah.

Irish · 06-12-2005, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by twicks69

Well, I decided to do a little binge buying for my car, and ended up blowing a shitload of money.

Wallet = empty -> Car = fast

Hmmmm....I like that --I guess I will just get used to being broke.

Ended up going with an Eagle/Ross combination, also picked up a new crank, an HKS 272 intake cam (still had 264/272 setup), HKS cam gears on order, and plenty of other fun pieces.

Anybody have an extra 2G AEM EMS sitting around?? or a 95 Eprom with DSM Link? or a GM 3" MAS with MAF translator for 2g?

I really need to get rid of my AFC and 2G MAS, and remove my current restrictions in the setup.

No that your wallet is empty that makes you lighter.

**twicks69** · 06-12-2005, 07:54 PM

Yeah, with my wallet on SlimFast, my ass will be much lighter.

Thankfully, my engine will also be receiving a little lightening....

I finally ordered a 7-bolt 4G64 "Butcher" 2.4L Stroker Crank from ffwdconnection.com goes from 44lbs to 37lbs.

Then 7-Bolt Eagle Rods...

Ross custom stroker .020" over 9.0:1 comp. pistons with ffwdconnections ceramic fluoropolymer dome coating and xylan skirt coating (Slugs of Brawn coating--S.O.B.)

Custom Clevite split thrust main bearings for a 99-spec block, and Clevite 77 rod bearings with ARP hardware for rod bolts and main studs.

Balance Shaft Elimination Kit, New front cover, oil pump, water pump, misc. gaskets, timing belt, etc.

Once the car is running and broken in, I will be changing over to the GM MAF with Translator (need to fabricate a new upper IC pipe between the BOV and TB elbow for the MAF), and hopefully an AEM EMS or DSMLink V2.0.

After break in, I intend on changing multiple things including a cage (probably Tom at OTE will be doing the fab work--his work is friggin fantastic!), seats, 3" seat belts, a bigger turbo, and maybe a little happy gas.

So, the itenerary is currently waiting on parts ranging from Monday to 3 weeks, pull my block, gut it, bore it, line hone and torque plate, balance the rotating assembly and rebuild. I may rebuild or replace drivetrain parts also--I am still waiting on Shep to sell his Dogbox.

Hopefully within 5 weeks (july 16th) it will be running and broken in before July 30th Import Drag Wars.

**MY4RCDGSX** · 06-13-2005, 02:57 AM

sounds good Tim!

You should talk Josh G. into actually bringing his car out of the garage, so that you can have another stroker to play with.

KellY · 09-27-2005, 08:17 PM

Timmy when were u planning on coming up to the dyno again....i forgot when u told me.

**twicks69** · 09-28-2005, 08:27 AM

Friday October 7th, I will be up in Appleton installing the AEM EMS and associated sensors. I will be at your shop in the early morning of Saturday October 8th for tune in runs. Give me a call - 414-839-8250

Thanks,

**twicks69** · 10-10-2005, 12:34 AM

Well, back from the dyno....!

We had a few snags along the way on Saturday, and I have exceeded the limits of the internal wastegate, and my 780cc injectors.

I just ordered a new setup including wastegate, O2 housing, and injectors.

Limiting factors:

I put on my new HUGE K&N air filter w/o the MAF, and my boost creeped from the boost controller level of 23psi, all the way to 35psi. I had to put the old MAF and small filter on just to complete the runs at a controllable boost level.
I did see nearly 800rpms quicker spoolup w/ the large air filter, and was boosting 23psi with creep to 26psi w/ the small filter. Boost creep started at 23psi @ 5200rpms, and hit 26psi @ 6700rpms.

Also, my injectors were at 90% duty cycle at 23-26psi boost levels.

Also, Luke Stubbs and I tuned it EXTREMELY conservative for the current duration, until we fix the wastegate and fuel issues.

I am only running 6-7 degrees advanced timing. Not 23-27 degrees like we wanted to. I have not touched the adj. cam gears yet, along with alot of other details like the anti-lag and the 2-step. I am not sure if I will be able to get these details done by the K.O.T.H. race, since it is only 2 weeks away now.

the results:

DYNO-TUNING DONE AT EXTREME PERFORMANCE MOTORSPORTS - Greenville, WI, on a WinDyn Superflow 2-wheel dual eddy current dyno.
ECU-TUNING DONE BY LUKE STUBBS FROM BEYOND REDLINE PERFORMANCE - DePere, WI.

All runs were only done to 7000rpms since the cam gears need to be tuned in (still at 0 degrees on in. and ex. cams).

At 4 degrees advanced timing with AFR's 11.8 (3100rpms) richening to 10.8 (7000rpms) at 23-26psi on Rocket 110 Leaded gas, zero knock...
352.1 HP/320 TQ ---only at 4 degrees advanced timing.

At 7 degrees advanced timing with AFR's the same as above ranging from 11.8-10.8 at the same boost levels 23-26psi, same gas, same knock levels...
403.2 HP @5864rpms ...HP was above 300 from 4700rpms to 7000rpms
379.9 TQ @5315rpms ...torque was above 300 from 4500-6700roms

3 degrees of timing netted 51HP and 60 Torque. Freaking crazy fast revving motor also--sounds extremely pissed off when you get into boost.

Luke and I believe that the car will EASILY be able to make 600+HP @ the wheels no problem. The car has only seen around 2 hours of real tuning, after all the initial start up. So, by the end of the week, I will have the O2 setup changed, and after the Import Drag Wars race, I am hoping to have the injectors put in, and retune the car for some real numbers!

I will be wiring in the wideband directly to the EMS tomorrow, along with the clutch switch for the 2-step. I also got my drag radials, and need some VHT to soften up the tires this week before the races.

Well, I look forward to getting to a scanner so I can show you all the dyno graph.

**twicks69** · 10-10-2005, 01:08 AM

http://groups.msn.com/DSMShrine/shoebox.msnw

Pics are updated.

Dyno sheet:

1fastsol · 10-10-2005, 08:16 AM

well that's a good start!

**twicks69** · 10-11-2005, 06:56 PM

476HP @ wheels can "potentially" make a 10 second car.

I'll make a "little" more than that so I have no doubts.

**twicks69** · 10-14-2005, 09:59 PM

Well, got the injectors and the Ext. Wastegate setup today. Here's a Pic:

Anyone want my old O2 Housing?? How about my Denso O2 sensors (2 of them). Oh well, worth asking....

I will be going back up to Extreme Performance Motorsports next Friday to redyno the car for the bigger injectors, and this time without boost creep. Hopefully I can get a good tune on it for Saturday's race.

**jbiscuit** · 10-10-2005, 08:35 AM

great start....I still would have thought even without a lot of timing in it your numbers would be a bit higher but you can tune from there!

**Bee** · 10-11-2005, 12:27 AM

how much POWER do you need to hit 10sec??? Just curious!!! 600whp???

Max out 3bar and you'll be in that neighborhood!!!

A recent street car that I have tuned netted slightly over 600whp@29psi...1.7L DOHC VTEC setup with a small turbo..hehe

**twicks69** · 10-11-2005, 06:14 AM

Well, considering that we have around 16-20 degrees of timing to still advance along with adjusting the cam gears for optimal levels, adding the 1000cc injectors, installing the large intake assembly without the MAF restriction, adding the external wastegate, adding drag radials....

You have to recognize that 400HP at 7degrees of timing is nothing. The car is built for high HP and high boost--it will be seeing both. Remember...3 degrees of timing advancement gained 60HP--and there is only 2 hours in on a completely different beast of a car with the EMS. It should have no problems running 11's at this HP level, and next week I will have the 1000cc injectors in the car. The wastegate and intake application will be on for Sunday.

Alot of tuning is still to come in the future. But there is a pretty good chance that it will not be to its potential for the KOTH race -- there simply is not enough time.

**Teufelhunden** · 10-12-2005, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Bee

1.7L DOHC VTEC setup with a small turbo..hehe

I hope you weren't knocking Tim's setup. His sh1t is still all bolt on. Stock exhaust manifold with a bolt on turbo. t3/t4 hybrid = a small turbo now a days.

Good numbers Tim.

**twicks69** · 10-12-2005, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by MoparScott

I hope you weren't knocking Tim's setup. His sh1t is still all bolt on. Stock exhaust manifold with a bolt on turbo. t3/t4 hybrid = a small turbo now a days.

Good numbers Tim.

Thanks Scott!

Here is a pic of the buildup (stock exhaust manifold/1G unported head w/stock size valves)
http://groups.msn.com/DSMShrine/myca...to&PhotoID=175

Here is a simple engine bay pic.
http://groups.msn.com/DSMShrine/myca...to&PhotoID=184

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