New Orleans Saints Investigation.....

[GTSLOW]

Wow anyone here about this?

After a lengthy investigation conducted by the NFL's security department, the league announced Friday that 22 to 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints maintained a "pay for performance" program that included "bounty" payments administered by then-defensive coordinator Gregg Williams during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons.

The program runs in violation of league rules, and the investigation showed that Saints players received $1,500 for a "knockout" hit and $1,000 for a "cart-off" hit with payouts doubling or tripling during the team's three playoff appearances. A memo sent to clubs throughout the league included a statement on how Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma put up $10,000 cash as a bounty before a playoff game, a source familiar with the memo told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...headline_stack

Can you say loss of draft picks?

[Holeshot]

Saw it on the news tonight. Watching Favre getting hammered over and over again by the Saints D line. LMAO

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[spooln30]

LOL......Well I guess that didn't "PAYOFF" for them because their defense kinda sucked two out of the 3 seasons listed. 25th ranked for 2009/2011 and 4th ranked for 2010.

[spooln30]

Saw it on the news tonight. Watching Favre getting hammered over and over again by the Saints D line. LMAO

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Farve wasn't our QB when the payoffs happened.

[spooln30]

Saw it on the news tonight. Watching Favre getting hammered over and over again by the Saints D line. LMAO

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Farve wasn't our QB when the "bonuses" happened.

[GTSLOW]

I guess teams/owners will get to voice their opinion on this at the annual meeting. I bet that's gonna go well for the saints. LOL the owner and GM even knew about it!

[WhatsADSM]

Ouch!

Although, those amounts seem like chump change for those guys. Not sure how much that would actually amp them up to go knock somebody out.

[Holeshot]

Yeah I know. Channel 4 was showing Favre as a Viking getting slammed over and over on their footage of the story tonight.

Farve wasn't our QB when the "bonuses" happened.

[GTSLOW]

the nfl.com video has the same footage of Favre getting leveled. Also this would mean when we played the Saints in the opener this year a player got a bonus when Tramon Williams got his shoulder injured. I'm sure the Vikings/Cards are going to be livid about this next year. They tried to say something.....

Saw earlier on ESPN that goodell could strip the saints of their franchise tag!

[spooln30]

Wow I totally forgot Farve played after he left the Packers. LOL.

[Yooformula]

goddell better do something big otherwise all the fines he levied against certain players will seem like even bigger horseshit and all of his rhetoric about player safety will blow up bigtime in his face

[GHOSST]

QB's better learn how to get out that pocket like A-Rod then, hahaha.

Although I don't condone what they are doing, it is the NFL, and it is their own money. Your risk for NOT getting injured in a sport like the is NFL slim to none. I mean its the job and plan to knock the QB out in anyway you can, I'm sure that's the main goal when it comes to QB's like Rodgers, Brees, Manning, and Brady. But I agree they might have let the "incentives" and gentleman's bets get the better of them, and it could get waaaay out of hand in the future. I just see a violation of NFL policies, nothing more. I really don't see an ethics violation in Football, lol.

I wonder what the purse was on Vick, that dude gets punished on the field! Haha

[VroomPshhTsi]

I wonder what the purse was on Vick, that dude gets punished on the field! Haha

Not enough for what that piece of shit did.

[GHOSST]

Not enough for what that piece of shit did.

Exactly, I just find it funny how he's like all bruised ribs and banged up, maybe his O-line had a pot going, haha.

[brotherbenn83]

Not enough for what that piece of shit did.

They are/were just dogs...

[STANMAN]

They are/were just dogs...

This. I am SO sick of animals having more rights than humans. I love animals, I respect animals, I would never do what Mike Vick did, I don't condone it, it's not my thing, I love (most) peoples pets, but at the end of the day, they were just dogs. In other societies they are just another protien on the menu. How about Ray Lewis, he KILLED A PERSON with his bare hands (yeah, he got someone else to take the fall, but he did it, the world knows it, just like OJ), Donte Stallworth killed someone because he got behind the wheel drunk, neither of them spent (significant) time in jail. There's people out there who have molested innocent children and done awful things to other PEOPLE that got less time than Vick, now THAT'S sickening!

Like Chris Griffin said to Brian "You're just a dog Brian, you don't have a soul!"

[88Nightmare]

Maybe the punishment (or lack thereof) is simply too lenient for human on human crimes as opposed to human on animal crimes viewed as too stiff...

[michelle]

This. I am SO sick of animals having more rights than humans. I love animals, I respect animals, I would never do what Mike Vick did, I don't condone it, it's not my thing, I love (most) peoples pets, but at the end of the day, they were just dogs. In other societies they are just another protien on the menu. How about Ray Lewis, he KILLED A PERSON with his bare hands (yeah, he got someone else to take the fall, but he did it, the world knows it, just like OJ), Donte Stallworth killed someone because he got behind the wheel drunk, neither of them spent (significant) time in jail. There's people out there who have molested innocent children and done awful things to other PEOPLE that got less time than Vick, now THAT'S sickening!

Like Chris Griffin said to Brian "You're just a dog Brian, you don't have a soul!"

Just because the punishments against other crimes are not strong enough, doesn't mean that the crimes against defenseless animals should be knocked down. There are numerous crimes that deserve higher punishments and it's a shame that more isn't done to fix that. The laws against animal cruelty are no where near where they should be. Same for DUI, child molestation/neglect, murder, etc.

[BOSS LX]

It is football, if the hit is legal I see no issue!

[STANMAN]

Millions of chickens/turkeys/cows live in conditions far worse, for far longer, and at the end of their awful existance they are herded into a slaughterhouse. What is different about what Mike Vick did? Well, up until the moment they died fighting they lived a pretty good life, they were treated and cared for very well (by all accounts fighting dogs/chickens/bulls are huge investments and treated as such). Because some people bet on it and the dogs were not consumed afterwards it's something he should have went to jail for?

Again, I am not saying what he did was right, am not condoning it as OK, but look at the larger picture, there is a reason we were given dominion over animals by our Creator, so that when they die and we consume their flesh it is not a sin. That being said, we, as their caretakers, should provide due dilligence to treat them as the God's creatures that they are.

And I agree with Mike and Michelle, one crime's punishement should not validate another crime's punishment, but in today's society that's just how it works. The trend has been that animals have been given increasingly human rights, and "flame suit on", I am just not OK with that.