Nut jobs in Madison..

[Neal Steffek]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/1...94.html?page=1

WTF!?! What in the world would make you think it is ok to bring a gun into a Culvers? These nut jobs need to have the book thrown at them to send a message.

[-stew-]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/1...94.html?page=1

WTF!?! What in the world would make you think it is ok to bring a gun into a Culvers? These nut jobs need to have the book thrown at them to send a message.

Fuck you. What laws were they breaking?

[Silver350]

Because the state of Wisconsin and the U.S. Constitution allows them to do so.

[PureSound15]

What in the world would make you think it is ok to bring a gun into a Culvers?

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights

[Holeshot]

Open Carry FTMFW. When will Wisconsin law enforcement realize its not up to them.

[Want_Notch]

So they were issued citations for obsruction......what a croc of shit.

Peoples Republic of Madison strikes again!

[Silver350]

Open Carry FTMFW. When will Wisconsin law enforcement realize its not up to them.

I dont think they will.

[Neal Steffek]

Not going to get into it that people who feel they can takes guns to a Culvers becasue they feel they "can", and they have the "right" to. What the people are posting on JSonline seem to be about 70% for the fact that these guns nut jobs have to get with the times. It's a good read.

[ND4SPD]

They have the right to open carry, and Culvers has the right to ask them to leave if they don't like it. End of story.

[-stew-]

Not going to get into it that people who feel they can takes guns to a Culvers becasue they feel they "can", and they have the "right" to. What the people are posting on JSonline seem to be about 70% for the fact that these guns nut jobs have to get with the times. It's a good read.

It's not a "feeling." It's a constitutional right! What part of that do you not understand? You can't "throw the book at" people who are doing nothing wrong.

Also, I like how you start a thread about something and right away you bust out with "not going to get into it." It cements the fact that you are a dolt who has no valid input on the subject, but you feel since guns scare you no one should be able to have them.

[LIL EVO]

Exactly. What people fail to realize is that this is LEGAL!

Convert this to a different scenario.

Dozens of people are lined up on HWY100 with half aborted baby posters and body parts. "Well, shit!" you think, "that's fucking disgusting, I don't want to see that and I'm scared".

You call the cops, cops come, the people holding the posters are given forfeitures after deciding on what area their "negative" behavior might fall under.

Really?

No different than scenario A

[Car Guy]

They have the right to open carry, and Culvers has the right to ask them to leave if they don't like it. End of story.

[Silver350]

Not going to get into it that people who feel they can takes guns to a Culvers becasue they feel they "can", and they have the "right" to. What the people are posting on JSonline seem to be about 70% for the fact that these guns nut jobs have to get with the times. It's a good read.

So do you freak out when ever you see someone at Walmart, Culvers, ect that have a knife on their hips or you see the clip of a knife sticking out of their pockets? I bet you never notice this.

Some nut job with a knife can do the same damage with a knife as some with a firearm that is inflict grave bodily harm. Do you really think majority of people could defend themselves against that?

And Wisconsin does need to get with the times and allow Conceal Carry like 48 other states have and we dont.

[0TransAm0]

They have the right to open carry, and Culvers has the right to ask them to leave if they don't like it. End of story.

agreed.

[Neal Steffek]

Nik Clark, president of Wisconsin Carry, Inc., said in an e-mail that five members of the organization were "dining peaceably" at Culver's when eight officers arrived about 7:30 p.m. While no one was charged with disorderly conduct -- a common reaction from police to mere gun-wearing until an Attorney General's advisory last year -- two of the members "politely declined" to provide identification and were arrested and issued citations for obstruction of justice, Clark wrote.

Eight cops came, sounds to me like they were NOT wanted there. Plus, they may want to reread the laws.

968.24 Temporary questioning without arrest. After having identified himself or herself as a law enforcement officer, a law enforcement officer may stop a person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably suspects that such person is committing, is about to commit or has committed a crime, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of the person's conduct. Such detention and temporary questioning shall be conducted in the vicinity where the person was stopped.

[Silver350]

Eight cops came, sounds to me like they were NOT wanted there. Plus, they may want to reread the laws.

968.24 Temporary questioning without arrest. After having identified himself or herself as a law enforcement officer, a law enforcement officer may stop a person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably suspects that such person is committing, is about to commit or has committed a crime, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of the person's conduct. Such detention and temporary questioning shall be conducted in the vicinity where the person was stopped.

They were not commiting a Crime. There for they were not breaking the law. Reason why there was 8 cops was because PD over reacted to the situation. Imagine you are outside wearing shorts with no shirt washing your car and a cop pulls up to you and demands ID. You do not need to present an ID to them. They cannot arrest you for that.

[Silver350]

Maybe you should do some reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...s_Constitution

Arrest
Of course, when a person is arrested and taken into police custody, they have been seized (e.g., a reasonable person who is handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car would not think they were free to leave). A person subjected to a routine traffic stop on the other hand, has been seized, but is not "arrested" because traffic stops are a relatively brief encounter and are more analogous to a Terry stop than to a formal arrest.[31] A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime.[32] A search incidental to an arrest that is not permissible under state law does not violate the Fourth Amendment, if the arresting officer has probable cause.[33][34]

[Neal Steffek]

Maybe you should do some reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...s_Constitution

Arrest
Of course, when a person is arrested and taken into police custody, they have been seized (e.g., a reasonable person who is handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car would not think they were free to leave). A person subjected to a routine traffic stop on the other hand, has been seized, but is not "arrested" because traffic stops are a relatively brief encounter and are more analogous to a Terry stop than to a formal arrest.[31] A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime.[32] A search incidental to an arrest that is not permissible under state law does not violate the Fourth Amendment, if the arresting officer has probable cause.[33][34]

Awesome, now go read some Wisconsin laws.

[GTSLOW]

Eight cops came, sounds to me like they were NOT wanted there. Plus, they may want to reread the laws.

968.24 Temporary questioning without arrest. After having identified himself or herself as a law enforcement officer, a law enforcement officer may stop a person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably suspects that such person is committing, is about to commit or has committed a crime, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of the person's conduct. Such detention and temporary questioning shall be conducted in the vicinity where the person was stopped.

what crime were the committing? Madison PD is a joke at best. There's shit going down on Badger Dr, Allied Dr, etc.. every fucking day and here their harassing people abiding to the law. What better way to stick it to them then sue (or whatever they're doing) the MADISON police department.

[Silver350]

I do read Laws. I read quiet a bit of them actually.

And I dont remember any of them that stated it is a crime to enjoy a Culvers burger with a gun on your hip.