What are you using for Gun Deer Season this year?

[HITMAN]

I don't like military weapons. They are ugly, clunky, cold and utilitarian.

That's funny, considering just about every gun action out there was developed to make it a more efficient man killing machine than the technology that came before it. Matchlock lead to Flintlock, Flintlock to Percussion cap, Percussion cap to a self contained cartridge, which led to trap door Springfield's, rolling blocks, lever actions, bolt actions, pump actions, the Gatling gun, the advent of smokeless powers, then along came auto-loaders and full auto actions.

They ALL have one thing in common. They started out as machines of war.

Many of them aren't designed to have optics installed on them. I think that with some of the goofy scope mounts that have the shooter craning there neck to look through the scope, the shooter would be better off with a good set of open sights.

Optics up until recently haven't been all that reliable in battlefield conditions, so they were sort of an afterthought for most black guns. That has changed. Most modern battle rifles use a flat top receiver now and incorporate some sort of optic with a back-up iron sight. My Eotech on my M4 is awesome and my next purchase for it will be a matching magnifier. But should it fail, I can co-witness my iron sights right through the Eotech's sight window. It's all very fast and I don't have to crane my head way up off of the iron sighting plane.

To me guns should be pretty, elegant, and should have a warmth to them.

Then I suggest you strap a barrel to a Steinway...

I also don't think you need a cabinet full of $2000 rifles to have a good hunt either. While not up on current prices, I'd bet a guy with a $750 budget could build one rifle that would work well on wild boar in Texas, and equally well on grizzly bear in Alaska and EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT in between.

Yeah, a bolt action .30-06 or .308 will cover all of that territory. But it would be overkill for some things and MARGINAL for something like a Kodiak or Polar bear. And that price point would be tough. Good rifles aren't all that cheap and neither are good optics. Buying used would boost your buying power, but again, GOOD sighting options aren't cheap.

Now, what if you're hunting some 1000lb+ Kodiak and he surprises you with a charge? My G3 would be ready with a lightning fast action and low recoil, twenty rounds of .308 (negating much of any perceived marginality) in the quick change box magazine and the speed of my co-witness irons as he charges in from close range. Try that with your elegant bolt action...

I bought everything, including the scope and mount, for your price point of $750.00. Plus, I think it looks fucking cool...

[Rifleman WI]

That's funny, considering just about every gun action out there was developed to make it a more efficient man killing machine than the technology that came before it. Matchlock lead to Flintlock, Flintlock to Percussion cap, Percussion cap to a self contained cartridge, which led to trap door Springfield's, rolling blocks, lever actions, bolt actions, pump actions, the Gatling gun, the advent of smokeless powers, then along came auto-loaders and full auto actions.

They ALL have one thing in common. They started out as machines of war.




Optics up until recently haven't been all that reliable in battlefield conditions, so they were sort of an afterthought for most black guns. That has changed. Most modern battle rifles use a flat top receiver now and incorporate some sort of optic with a back-up iron sight. My Eotech on my M4 is awesome and my next purchase for it will be a matching magnifier. But should it fail, I can co-witness my iron sights right through the Eotech's sight window. It's all very fast and I don't have to crane my head way up off of the iron sighting plane.




Then I suggest you strap a barrel to a Steinway...




Yeah, a bolt action .30-06 or .308 will cover all of that territory. But it would be overkill for some things and MARGINAL for something like a Kodiak or Polar bear. And that price point would be tough. Good rifles aren't all that cheap and neither are good optics. Buying used would boost your buying power, but again, GOOD sighting options aren't cheap.

Now, what if you're hunting some 1000lb+ Kodiak and he surprises you with a charge? My G3 would be ready with a lightning fast action and low recoil, twenty rounds of .308 (negating much of any perceived marginality) in the quick change box magazine and the speed of my co-witness irons as he charges in from close range. Try that with your elegant bolt action...

I bought everything, including the scope and mount, for your price point of $750.00. Plus, I think it looks fucking cool...

Yes, exactly why my dad uses his M1A..

[STANMAN]

Marlin .45-70 Guide Gun, stainless, but has been treated with Birdsong Black-T finish (same stuff they use on US Submarines), Leupold LPS 2.5X8.

[Rifleman WI]

Bird/Rodent gun on top, Deer gun on the bottom...

[Rocket Power]

Opening weekend has been a bust for me. There was definitely less shooting than usual in the areas surrounding us too.

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That's funny, considering just about every gun action out there was developed to make it a more efficient man killing machine than the technology that came before it. Matchlock lead to Flintlock, Flintlock to Percussion cap, Percussion cap to a self contained cartridge, which led to trap door Springfield's, rolling blocks, lever actions, bolt actions, pump actions, the Gatling gun, the advent of smokeless powers, then along came auto-loaders and full auto actions.

They ALL have one thing in common. They started out as machines of war.

That's funny, I never said I gave a shit about the origins of a rifles action.

Then I suggest you strap a barrel to a Steinway...

Examples of what I think a proper hunting rifle looks like.

Yeah, a bolt action .30-06 or .308 will cover all of that territory. But it would be overkill for some things and MARGINAL for something like a Kodiak or Polar bear. And that price point would be tough. Good rifles aren't all that cheap and neither are good optics. Buying used would boost your buying power, but again, GOOD sighting options aren't cheap.

A .300 winmag would be all that and a bag of chips for medium to large game on this continent. I just kinda pulled that budget out of my ass, like I said, I'm not real up on current rifle values.

Now, what if you're hunting some 1000lb+ Kodiak and he surprises you with a charge? My G3 would be ready with a lightning fast action and low recoil, twenty rounds of .308 (negating much of any perceived marginality) in the quick change box magazine and the speed of my co-witness irons as he charges in from close range. Try that with your elegant bolt action...

I bought everything, including the scope and mount, for your price point of $750.00. Plus, I think it looks fucking cool...

Congratulations, you thought up a scenario where you; with lightning fast reflexes, a snipers eye, and the ability to remain cool under the pressure of a charging griz, slay the angry beast by emptying one whole mag in it and reloading another. You're like the fat Rambo of the Yukon!


Here's a scenario: stopping that charging bear with over three thousand pounds of energy at 100 yards. Oh wait, your cool looking Call of Duty gun can't do that at the muzzle...

[Force4]

Bird/Rodent gun on top, Deer gun on the bottom...

If you ever sell your shotgun, let me know

[HITMAN]

That's funny, I never said I gave a shit about the origins of a rifles action.

That's funny, you never said you didn't, either. I never said I gave a shit about what you give a shit about. You put your opinion out on a public forum, the public is liable to respond to it.

Examples of what I think a proper hunting rifle looks like.

Fantastic. I didn't realize that hunting for you is more of a fashion show. Very good. I'm quite sure that the game you seek will fairly swoon with the desire to be plugged by your hand-rubbed antiques.

A .300 winmag would be all that and a bag of chips for medium to large game on this continent. I just kinda pulled that budget out of my ass, like I said, I'm not real up on current rifle values.

So would a well placed .308 or .30-06 As for pulling things out of your ass, why should this topic be any different?

Congratulations, you thought up a scenario where you; with lightning fast reflexes, a snipers eye, and the ability to remain cool under the pressure of a charging griz, slay the angry beast by emptying one whole mag in it and reloading another. You're like the fat Rambo of the Yukon!

As opposed to you turning the bear inside out with all of that extra energy available... Maybe you could just show the fuzzy critter all of your scary tattoos and it would die of fright.

Here's a scenario: stopping that charging bear with over three thousand pounds of energy at 100 yards. Oh wait, your cool looking Call of Duty gun can't do that at the muzzle...

I'm sure the bear would would pass out if he knew what the ballistic chart said about your fearsome caliber choice.

Here's a scenario. HITTING that charging bear while trying to acquire the target moving through brush @ 35mph with your scoped, heavy recoiling Michaelangelo, maybe missing it and then having to try and reacquire it. There's a reason my back-up sights are called battlefield sights. 3000+ lbs of energy isn't doing shit if you're not hitting your target. That elegant, fear inducing instrument of Kodiak destruction would probably make a nice toothpick for Mr. Griz after he's through chewing on your inked hide.

Exactly...

[Rocket Power]