2002 Camaro SS 427 in Mineral Point 4th parade

[hwystar]

Saw what appeared to be a 2002 SS in the parade. had fender decals saying 427 and hood scoop decal w/ 600HP (I think). Plate was LZ1 ____


sharp car, anybody's here. what's the history?

[Syclone0044]

I've heard references to this before and unfortunately I'm gonna have to raise the on the notion of 600HP out of a N/A small block production car, emissions legal, running 93 octane gas at best..

If you go to the "GMMG" site they only quote 400HP or so, but you're not the first one I've heard reference "600HP badges". Wonder what the story is here...

[BAD LS1]

If you go to the "GMMG" site they only quote 400HP or so, but you're not the first one I've heard reference "600HP badges". Wonder what the story is here...

Base ZL1's use the 400 hp LS6 replacement engine.

There is only 31 out of 69 that have the 600HP 427 (see PhaseIII)

http://www.gmmginc.net/html/zl1427_info.html

Dont know of any lawsuits for false advertisment yet against Matt Murphy, but maybe you can be the first to sue him for "I dont think its got 600hp IMO"

[BAD LS1]

And more reading:

http://www.quillnewspaper.com/Mar03/a0506a1.html

http://www.viperalley.com/showflat.p...&Number=118969

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0310_427/

[GRNDNL]

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600hp stickers on the hood scoop......

[Yooformula]

I've heard references to this before and unfortunately I'm gonna have to raise the on the notion of 600HP out of a N/A small block production car, emissions legal, running 93 octane gas at best..

Why is it so hard to believe that a 427 can make 600 hp? It came out of a production shop and has cats.....

[BAD LS1]

BWHAHAHAHAHAH OMFG!!

Where the hell do you come up with this stuff Keith??

I like the cars from a collectability stand point and they are more of an investment than a 1/4 mile bruiser.

Yeah its kinda an outrageous claim at first sight to see "600 HP" and paying another 30K to get that decal and the 427 under the hood but different strokes for different folks.

There is only one of these cars that gets regular track flogging and sees 11.4's @ 123

[BAD LS1]

Why is it so hard to believe that a 427 can make 600 hp? It came out of a production shop and has cats.....

In theory if the engine its self made 600 FWHP it would lay down somewhere about 530ish to the wheels, i dont see anything wrong here making a 600HP claim if the cars are seen laying this 530ish # down at the wheels.

[GRNDNL]

My GN went 10.56 @ 126 with 525 RWHP at 3700lbs.............that should be, could be, might be 600 at the flywheel...... 600 sounds alittle optimistic to me or is that just chebby horse power?....

I know all about the Vinyl Decal Collector Cars, my wife drives one........
We'll see in 25 years or so if theres anymore value in these.......

[BAD LS1]

I know all about the Vinyl Decal Collector Cars, my wife drives one........
We'll see in 25 years or so if theres anymore value in these.......

Yeah im in that same boat, mines slightly molested though making it even more usless down the road

[JohnnyT]

My GN went 10.56 @ 126 with 525 RWHP at 3700lbs.............that should be, could be, might be 600 at the flywheel...... 600 sounds alittle optimistic to me or is that just chebby horse power?....

That was with slicks and a hard launch, right? What was the ZL1 running for tires and suspension setup when it ran the 11.4?? Keith's car is setup for the strip and hence should run more of a number than the "stock" ZL1 with the same or similar power... IMHO

Coming from a guy who also has a vinyl sticker mobile...

[BAD LS1]

That was with slicks and a hard launch, right? What was the ZL1 running for tires and suspension setup when it ran the 11.4?? Keith's car is setup for the strip and hence should run more of a number than the "stock" ZL1 with the same or similar power... IMHO

Coming from a guy who also has a vinyl sticker mobile...

11.4 @ 123 on 18" cragar SS's with a short time in the 2.1 area looks very capable of mid tens ish with higher mph than 123 on 1.4-1.5 60's and 3600 LBS to me.

And its vinyl decal and hood scoop mobiles for us firehawk and SS owners.

[GRNDNL]

That was with slicks and a hard launch, right? What was the ZL1 running for tires and suspension setup when it ran the 11.4?? Keith's car is setup for the strip and hence should run more of a number than the "stock" ZL1 with the same or similar power... IMHO

Coming from a guy who also has a vinyl sticker mobile...

I'm thinking more of the MPH figure, With 600hp I would think it should be running 126-128.......

[JohnnyT]

I'm thinking more of the MPH figure, With 600hp I would think it should be running 126-128.......

True, but remember it is also a really low production $100,000+ vehicle. Maybe he wasn't pushing it all out... I'm not sure I would if it were mine.

[BAD LS1]

True, but remember it is also a really low production $100,000+ vehicle. Maybe he wasn't pushing it all out... I'm not sure I would if it were mine.

they still have 10 bolts too yet, cant push them real hard

[GRNDNL]

True, but remember it is also a really low production $100,000+ vehicle. Maybe he wasn't pushing it all out... I'm not sure I would if it were mine.

Mandys Firehawk is 1 of 2, Blue, MN6, 1LE, Hardtop Formulas made in 2001, I'd sell it for $100,000+ Still wouldn't stop me from running it balls out..... :-P I've got a customer with a Ferrari F-50, last time it was in the shop here he had 1800 miles on it, he runs a sticky street tire on it, the outside 2 inches on the fronts were totaly bald, that was his second set.... Takes a real man to drive a $600,000 car right on the edge all the time......

I forgot about the 10-bolt.......

[Syclone0044]

Why is it so hard to believe that a 427 can make 600 hp? It came out of a production shop and has cats.....

Because such a high specific output N/A would typically require an extreme camshaft of the type that would exhibit poor driveability and emissions and therefore be unlikely to pass government certification for sale.. If an aftermarket shop modifies the engine, they can get away with an "All modifications are for off road use only" disclaimer, but a REAL car manufacturer cannot.

Think about it, if they can get 600HP (or 700WHP as has been suggested) out of a 427 on 93 octane pump fuel with standard driveability and emissions friendly exhaust, why aren't more people doing it? Why isn't anyone doing it, for that matter? And if they can do it, what can they get on a race fuel burning, emissions failing, race only version? 1000HP N/A?

I'm not saying this car is complete hocus pocus (although the thought crosses my mind), but it does make some astonishing claims with little evidence to serve as proof to skeptical minds.

[Yooformula]

600hp advertised on the hood would most likely indicate the flywheel rating which is about 480-510rwhp depending on whether or not its an A4 or M6. I hear what your saying about the cam profile for emmisions and what not but for the kind of money that it costs I am sure they could come up with a combo that is emmisions legal and besides I dont think they would be able to sell a vehicle that isnt emmisions legal. Just looking at someone else's combo local, his vehicle puts out close to 700 flywheel and is emmisions legal with cats on a smaller dispacement motor granted its forced induction but I would still assume that a larger engine could produce close to that kind of power as well. I could be way off base here but I really dont think that its that hard to do with that kind of money.

[BAD LS1]

I dont have proof of any pardon on emission requirements or anything but being these cars came in such limited quanities(69) and came through as B4C cop cars, that right there makes them emmision exempt because its a "special service vehicle" (modern day COPO).

But these Phase III have lumpy ass cams in them, the #2 i drove sounded hairier than my car . The only thing emmission related i seen was air injection yet and cat converters attached to the collectors of the long tubes.

The Phase I uses a drop in LS6 crate motor and the Phase II has ported heads and bigger cam in the LS6.

Dont quote me but i thing anything sold as a special service car (see police or taxi cab) do not require any emmission testing or compliance, these vehicles are treated as an "export" by EPA standards, (see COPO's of old)

[Yooformula]

I guess I didnt think about the limited run of these perhaps exempting them from emmisions.