Shots fired in Caledonia

[jimez1]

So I just got a scope for my .22 rifle. I was in the back pasture sighting it in when 3 squad cars showed up. Found out that shooting a rifle even a .22 is illeagl here. Now I can shoot a 12 gauge with a slug or bird shot all day long according to them but because it was a rifled caliber again nothing special but a plain old .22 I was against the ordanance. I guess I will have to bring out the Clay pigeons and start blasting away with the old 12 gauge, and really wake the neighbors. By the way no I did not get fined or anything taken away. The cops were very cool ans almost seemed annoyed that they had a complaint about what I was doing.

[Reverend Cooper]

really? in the day of the internet you had no clue.lololol to bad you didnt get tazzed

[jimez1]

I knew that a 30 30 Or a 30 06 would be bad but a .22? And also its not that I am in a crowded area. From where I stand there is nothing between me and Lake Michigan. So not shooting torwards a road or any other houses. just into a 2 foot diameter stump with woods and field all private alnd and then eventually Lake Michigan.

[Coops Brother]

Did they say it was a local ordinance? On page 16 of the 2009 Deer hunting book, it says you cannot possess in shotgun only areas, any rimfire that is larger than .22. Since your .22 rimfire is not larger than .22, then I'd guess it is a local ordinace, or the cops didn't know the DNR guidelines.

[Lash]

Did they say it was a local ordinance? On page 16 of the 2009 Deer hunting book, it says you cannot possess in shotgun only areas, any rimfire that is larger than .22. Since your .22 rimfire is not larger than .22, then I'd guess it is a local ordinace, or the cops didn't know the DNR guidelines.

I'm guessing this has nothing to do with hunting guidelines....but everything to do with plain 'ol city ordinance.

I dunno about the slugs though. Bird shot I can see.

[jimez1]

Well It may have to do with city ordinance, but it is legal to hunt deer inside the village limits in Caledonia. So the slugs are perfectly legal. Even according the sergent that I spoke to.

[flyin_blue_egg]

Did they say it was a local ordinance? On page 16 of the 2009 Deer hunting book, it says you cannot possess in shotgun only areas, any rimfire that is larger than .22. Since your .22 rimfire is not larger than .22, then I'd guess it is a local ordinace, or the cops didn't know the DNR guidelines.

i'm pretty sure that .22 also falls into that range. I know .22 isn't technically larger then .22 but I think it still applies

[Coops Brother]

i'm pretty sure that .22 also falls into that range. I know .22 isn't technically larger then .22 but I think it still applies

uhh, no.... larger than .22, means larger than .22 Nothing to do with technically, did they say .22 or somehere around that caliber, NO they say .22 period. Do you have a micrometer? .220" is smaller than .221" right? Ok, so then shooting anything LARGER than .22 would be,....what...technically larger than .22

[That_Guy]

uhh, no.... larger than .22, means larger than .22 Nothing to do with technically, did they say .22 or somehere around that caliber, NO they say .22 period. Do you have a micrometer? .220" is smaller than .221" right? Ok, so then shooting anything LARGER than .22 would be,....what...technically larger than .22

thus if you have a .17 hmr you could shot all day.. ?

[Reverend Cooper]

Right from the Caledonia ordinance section of their website.
Number
Title Ordinance
Number
Date of
Ordinance
11-2-1 Use and Discharge of Arms Regulated
11-2-2 Carrying Concealed Weapons Prohibited;
Certain Weapons Prohibited
11-2-3 Injury to Signs, Guide Boards, and Markers
11-2-4 Harassing or Obscene Telephone Calls
11-2-5 Sale and Discharge of Fireworks Restricted
11-2-6 Obstructing Streets and Sidewalks
Prohibited
11-2-7 Loitering Prohibited
11-2-8 Loud and Unnecessary Noise Prohibited
11-2-9 Disorderly Conduct
11-2-10 Possession of Controlled Substances
11-2-11 Unauthorized Presence on School Property
Prohibited
11-2-12 Failure to Obey Lawful Order
11-2-13 Truancy
11-2-14 Improper Use of 911 Emergency
Telephone System
11-2-15 Drug Paraphernalia
11-2-16 Sex Offender Residency Restrictions 2008-05 07/15/08
11-2-17 Prohibited Conduct of Designated Sex
Offender
2008-05 07/15/08
SEC. 11-2-1 USE AND DISCHARGE OF ARMS REGULATED.
(a) Definition. For purposes of this section, a "firearm" shall be defined as any gun, pistol,
rifle, air gun, or other device used to propel a missile in the form of a ball, bullet, slug,
shot, or BB pellet, whether the propelling force is gunpowder, explosives, compressed air,
mechanical action, or any other force.
(b) Prohibition on Use and Discharge of Firearms.
(1) No person shall discharge a firearm in the following locations:
a. Those areas bounded on the south by the Town boundary, on the west by
Wisconsin State Highway 31, on the north by Four Mile Road, on the east
by North Green Bay Road.
b. The south 824 feet of the northeast quarter and all of the southeast quarter of
Section 23, Range 22, east Town 4 north, being a part of the Town of
Caledonia, Racine County, State of Wisconsin.
(2) No person shall discharge a firearm which fires a single ball, bullet, or slug within
the following areas within the Town of Caledonia: All those areas within the Town
of Caledonia lying east and south of a line described as follows: Commencing at the
Sec. 11-2-1 Use and Discharge of Arms Regulated
Title 11, Chapter 2
-2-
junction of the Town’s south boundary line and a point lying due south of State
Trunk Highway 38 and County Trunk Highway K, thence north to the intersection
of State Trunk Highway 38 and County Trunk Highway K, thence northerly along
the centerline of State Trunk Highway 38 to the centerline of Four Mile Road,
thence easterly on the center line of Four Mile Road to the centerline of State Trunk
Highway 31, thence northerly on the centerline of State Trunk Highway 31 to the
centerline of Six Mile Road, thence easterly along the centerline of Six Mile Road
to the west line of the right--of-way of the Chicago & Northwestern Railroad
Company, thence northerly on said west line of said right-of-way to the centerline
of Seven Mile Road, thence easterly on the centerline of Seven Mile Road extended
to Lake Michigan.
(3) No person shall discharge a firearm, bow and arrow, crossbow and/or shaft, within
five hundred (500) feet of any building or structure within the Town of Caledonia.
(4) No person shall enter or be upon lands which he neither owns nor is in lawful
possession or control, with a firearm in his possession without first having obtained
the written consent thereto from the owner or the person in lawful possession and
control of such lands. Any person having such written consent shall keep and
maintain such written consent on his person at all times while upon such lands for
the purpose of hunting or discharging firearms or with a firearm in his possession.
(c) Exceptions. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the discharge of firearms in
the following cases:
(1) By a public official in the lawful discharge of official duty.
(2) By a member of the Armed Forces of the United State or of the National Guard of
the State of Wisconsin while in the lawful discharge of official duties.
(3) By a person in the lawful defense of his person or property.
(4) By a person at an approved target range or legal game preserve.

link to website,I'm assuming this is where you are at.
http://www.caledoniawi.com/document_...ocument_id=745

[Coops Brother]

thus if you have a .17 hmr you could shot all day.. ?

Larger than .22 means just that, LARGER. .22 is not larger, it is .22
I think you should be able to shoot .22lr, or .17, there as long as you aren't in the prohibited areas they mention.
I'd call the desk sargent and ask him some questions, I think the responding officers got it wrong.
I think they are going off of the WI hunting regs. that prohibits possesing a rimfire larger than .22 during gun deer season, not the Cal. ord's

Now on a different note, per the DNR, an approved target range is one that is used solely for target practice. That's it, no fancy clubhouse or anything. Put up a 50 yard target, and a shooting bench, maybe rope it off, there ya go. Then you can sight in on the friday before opening day, and there is nothing they can do. As it is a rifle range.

[Reverend Cooper]

you prolly need a building permit for that. And city ordinance trumps DNR rules. if he falls in the areas listed,which appears to be everywhere in and around Caledonia he is screwed. I also believe it is 500 feet from any building too. they basically have all ends covered with the ordinance.

this right here says it all. copied from ord.
SEC. 11-2-1 USE AND DISCHARGE OF ARMS REGULATED.
(a) Definition. For purposes of this section, a "firearm" shall be defined as any gun, pistol,
rifle, air gun, or other device used to propel a missile in the form of a ball, bullet, slug,
shot, or BB pellet, whether the propelling force is gunpowder, explosives, compressed air,
mechanical action, or any other force.


THEY DO NOT CARE WHAT THE DNR SAYS. YOU WILL LOSE IF YOU TRY. RIFLE RANGE IN YOUR BACKYARD OR NOT.

[Russ Jerome]

Now I can shoot a 12 gauge with a slug or bird shot all day long according to them but because it was a rifled caliber again nothing special but a plain old .22 I was against the ordanance.

So I can come over with my 3" semi loader slug gun, over 2000 ft/energy launching a nearly 500gr projectile that will lift a grown man off the ground but 36gr rimfire rounds less than 1/3rd the dimeter that tend to bounce off peoples skulls are illegal......I smell Obama in Caledonia!

Shotgun outing at Jimz!!!!!!

[Reverend Cooper]

For hunting purposes yes in proper areas only. out of hunting season he will get in trouble with the locals.

[Russ Jerome]

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[Coops Brother]

you prolly need a building permit for that. And city ordinance trumps DNR rules. if he falls in the areas listed,which appears to be everywhere in and around Caledonia he is screwed. I also believe it is 500 feet from any building too. they basically have all ends covered with the ordinance.

this right here says it all. copied from ord.
SEC. 11-2-1 USE AND DISCHARGE OF ARMS REGULATED.
(a) Definition. For purposes of this section, a "firearm" shall be defined as any gun, pistol,
rifle, air gun, or other device used to propel a missile in the form of a ball, bullet, slug,
shot, or BB pellet, whether the propelling force is gunpowder, explosives, compressed air,
mechanical action, or any other force.


THEY DO NOT CARE WHAT THE DNR SAYS. YOU WILL LOSE IF YOU TRY. RIFLE RANGE IN YOUR BACKYARD OR NOT.

If you read the ord. what you are quoting is them defining what a firearm is, not defining it as illegal. The latter discription of specific locations are where it is illegal for you to use the defined firearm.
I quess what I meant was if you are outside of their "no shoot" zones then you can put in a range on your property and shoot whatever you want, whenever you want.

[Coops Brother]

I just don't see anything in the ord relating to an illegal caliber, rifled or otherwise. Just don't get it, I would be on the phone with the Sgt. on duty.

[Lash]

Well It may have to do with city ordinance, but it is legal to hunt deer inside the village limits in Caledonia. So the slugs are perfectly legal. Even according the sergent that I spoke to.

The slugs are only leagal during hunting season.

[Reverend Cooper]

either way as discussed,assuming he is in the city limits or range they describe in the ordinances he illegal,even if he can hunt,deer he was illegal per dnr cant use that caliber to hunt deer. If he was in a legal hunting area he was still illegal as he didnt have 50% blaze orange and a small game license. either way he is illegal,that is again assuming he is in the prescribed areas listed in the ordinances.

[Coops Brother]

Ok, here is the deal according to the DNR person I spoke with.

1. it is legal to be in possesion of a .22 rimfire, to small game hunt during
gun deer season
a. you must have 50% blaze orange on
b. you must have a small game license

2. it is legal to be in possesion of a .22 rimfire for target shooting
a. you must be on your own land, or
b. at an approved target shooting range


Now, my question to you is:

Are you in an area that Caledonia allows you to discharge a firearm for hunting? if yes then you could hunt squirrel with a .22 rimfire, and target shoot on your own property. As long as you are far enough away from houses. The person at the DNR told me that if you are target shooting on your land, you do not need an "approved" range.

Her statement to sum it was:

You can target shoot or hunt during gun deer season with a .22 rimfire,
as long as your local reg's permit it.

DNR Hotline 1-888-936-7463 prompt #3



Now assuming the cop was correct in saying you can shoot shotgun where you are, I assume you are in an area that you can legally discharge a firearm. I also don't see in the Caledonia reg's where a .22 rimfire is specifically illegal.