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    Is there an egr simulator installed??????

    That could be a problem with the EGR delete.

    31 is EGR valve position sensor low voltage

    84 is EGR Vacuum Regulator - Solenoids
    EGR cutoff solenoid - Solenoids
    EGR Vent solenoid - Solenoids


    Having a malfunctioning or non-working (or non-simulated) EGR can make your car run like crap.

    Got any pics of how the egr is delted? Was it deleted usuing the plunger mod?

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    Deleted using a UPR delete plate. Never heard of a simulator.

    Lash, pm sent.
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    So you just have the harness disconnected with the blockoff plate?

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    Yes, maybe I should think about a simulator.
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    Sound like your problem?

    http://forums.stangnet.com/showthrea...ht=egr+plunger

    Thae same problem could happen if no sim/plunger mod is used with egr delete.
    A simulator would probably help. Plus that and the TPS are probably joined to be at fault. You said you did not replace the TPS...right? Yet you are still pulling codes for it?
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    Done pulling codes, plus the koer test, which isnt working for some reason.

    I'm just going to buy a TPS, where can I pick up a sim?
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    e-bay
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/87-95...12860160QQrdZ1

    I've also heard of others needing custom tuning to help smooth out any problems from the EGR delete. Some get lucky and dont need anything.

    I've heard these help for setting the TPS also..
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-...spagenameZWDVW

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    but the car used to run fine before witht the egr deleted the way it is now right

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    EEC-IV Diagnostic Codes, Rev. 1.1 2/25/93
    11- (orc): No problems found in this portion of the test
    12- (r): ECA could not increase idle speed above normal idle.
    Suspect throttle body coking. KE1
    13- (r): ECA could not lower idle speed.
    Suspect Idle Bypass valve problems. KE15
    14- (c): Intermittent PIP signal operation.
    Suspect PIP sensor or TFI module, or grounding or
    interference problems at the TFI module. Y1
    15- (o): ECA ROM test failure- failure is internal to ECA.
    (c) ECA KAM (Keep Alive RAM Memory) failure. Q10
    18- (r*): Loss of TACH signal from TFI (Thick Film Integration- the module
    on the side of the distributor) module to the ECA. There is an open in the SPOUT circuit. Suspect SPOUT connector. N1
    19- (o): Failure of ECA voltage regulator. Replace ECA.
    21- (or): ECT (Engine Coolant Temp) out of range. Coolant is less than 50degF for KOEO, or less than 180degF for KOER, or greater than 250degF for either. If coolant temp is in proper range, suspect ECT sensor (It won't be, for KOER tests on cars tha have a 160degF thermostat!) DE1, DE90
    22- (orc*): MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure, for speed-density cars) or
    BP (Barometric Pressure, for mass-air cars) sensor signal out of range.
    Suspect MAP or BP sensor and harness. DF1, DF90
    23- (or): Closed throttle TP (Throttle Position) sensor voltage out of range. Suspect TP sensor. DH1
    24- (or): ACT (Air Charge Temperature) sensor voltage out of range.
    Suspect ACT sensor and harness. 1984-85 2.3 Turbo - Vane Air Flow voltage out of range. DA1
    25- (r): 2.3 Turbo. Knock Sensor failure. DG1
    26- (or): VAF (Vane Air Flow, 2.3L Turbo) or MAF (Mass Air Flow) signal out of range. Suspect sensor and harness. DK1
    28- (or): 1986+ 2.3 Turbo. Vane Air Temperature out of range.
    34- (r): 2.3 Turbo. EGR On/Off not working. KA1
    41- (c): 2.3 Turbo. EGO read lean for more than 15 seconds while in closed loop. HA11
    42- (c): 2.3 Turbo. EGO read rich for more than 15 seconds while in closed loop. HA8
    51- (orc*): ECT voltage too high (coolant too cold, circa -40degF!).
    Suspect ECT, harness. DE10, DE91
    53- (orc*): TP sensor voltage too high (indicates WOT condition). DH3, DH90
    54- (orc*): ACT (air Charge Temperature) sensor voltage too high. DA10, DA90
    56- (orc*): MAF (VAF for 2.3 Turbo) sensor voltage too high. DK10, DK90
    61- (orc*): ECT voltage too low- indicates coolant temp greater than 250degF. DE20, DE94
    63- (orc*): TP sensor voltage too low. DH10, DH94
    64- (orc*): ACT (1984-84 2.3 Turbo, VAT) sensor voltage too low, indicates intake air temp greater than 250degF. DA20, DA93
    66- (rc*): MAF (2.3 Turbo, VAF) below minimum test voltage. DK20, DK93
    67- (o): Clutch switch open, AC left on, transmission in gear. FA1
    68- (oc): 1986+ 2.3 Turbo. VAT out of range.
    73- (r): Insufficient goose during Dynamic Response test. Rerun test, goose it harder. 2.3 Turbo - Faulty Throttle Position sensor. DH20
    74- No Brake Switch Actuation / Cruise Control Switch Actuation Detected
    76- (r): 2.3L Turbo only. Insufficient VAF variation seen during Dynamic
    Response test. DK30
    77- (r): No goose detected durning Dynamic Respose test. Rerun test, goose it harder. M1
    81- (o): 2.3 Turbo. Boost control circuit failure. KN1
    82- (o): 2.3 Turbo. Check EDF signal to Integrated Controller for short to ground.
    83- (o): 2.3L Turbo only. Check for EDF signal to Integrated Controller for open circuit.
    84- (o): EVR solenoid circuit failure. 2.3 Turbo - Check for EGR solenoid open circuit.
    85- (o): 2.3 Turbo with Automatic (T-Bird). Check for 3-4 shift solenoid open circuit.
    87- (oc): FP relay circuit failure- suspect intertia switch, fusible link, FP relay. J1
    98- (r): Hard fault present. The ECA is running in FMEM (Failure Effects Management Mode), so something is royally screwed up that the KOEO test should have told you about. Rerun KOEO and fix whatever you find there.
    99- ECA hasn't learned yet

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    EEC-IV Diagnostic Codes
    11 - System pass
    12 - RPM unable to reach upper test limit
    13 - RPM unable to reach lower test limit
    14 - Pip circuit failure
    15 - PCM read only memory test failed
    15 - PCM keep alive memory test failed
    P0121 In-Range Operating Throttle Position Sensor circuit failure.
    P0122 Throttle Position Sensor circuit Low Input.
    P0123 Throttle Position Sensor circuit High Input.
    P0125 Insufficient Coolant Temperature to enter Closed Loop.
    P0126 Insufficient Coolant Temperature for Stable Operation.
    16 - IDM signal not received
    18 - SPOUT circuit open or spark angle word failure
    18 - IDM circuit failure or SPOUT circuit grounded
    21 - ECT out of self-test range
    22 - BP sensor out of self-test range
    22 - BP sensor or MAP out of range
    23 - TP sensor out of self-test range
    24 - ACT sensor out of self-test range
    25 - Knock not sensed during dynamic test
    26 - VAF/MAF out of self-test range
    26 - TOT out of self-test range
    26 - TOT sensor out of self-test range (E4OD)
    28 - Loss of IDM, right side
    29 - Insufficient input from vehicle speed sensor
    31 - PFE, EVP or EVR circuit below minimum voltage
    32 - EVP voltage below closed limit
    33 - EGR valve opening not detected
    34 - EVP voltage above closed limit
    35 - PFE or EVP circuit above closed limit
    41 - HEGO sensor circuit indicates system lean
    41 - No HEGO switching detected
    42 - HEGO sensor circuit indicates system rich
    44 - Thermactor air system inoperative-right side
    45 - Thermactor air upstream during self-test
    45 - Coil 1, 2 or 3 failure
    46 - Thermactor air not bypassed during self-test
    47 - 4WD switch closed (E4OD)
    48 - Loss of IDM, left side
    49 - 1-2 shift error (E4OD)
    51 - ECT/ACT reads -40°F or circuit open
    52 - Power steering pressure switch circuit open
    52 - Power steering pressure switch always open or closed
    53 - TP circuit above maximum voltage
    54 - ACT sensor circuit open
    56 - VAF or MAF circuit above maximum voltage
    56 - TOT reads -40°F or circuit open (E4OD)
    59 - 2-3 shift error (E4OD)
    61 - ECT reads 254°F or circuit grounded
    63 - TP circuit below minimum voltage
    64 - ACT sensor grounded or input reads 254°F
    65 - Overdrive cancel switch open, no change seen (E4OD)
    66 - MAF sensor input below minimum voltage
    66 - TOT grounded or reads 290°F (E4OD)
    67 - Neutral/drive switch open or A/C on
    67 - Clutch switch circuit failure
    67 - MLP sensor out of range or A/C on (E4OD)
    69 - 3-4 shift error
    72 - Insufficient MAF/MAP change during dynamic test
    73 - Insufficient TP change during dynamic test
    74 - Brake on/off switch failure or not actuated
    77 - Operator error
    79 - A/C on during self-test
    79 - A/C or defrost on during self-test
    81 - Air management 2 circuit failure
    82 - Air management 1 circuit failure
    84 - EGR vacuum solenoid circuit failure
    85 - Canister purge solenoid circuit failure
    86 - Shift solenoid circuit failure
    87 - Fuel pump primary circuit failure
    88 - Loss of dual plug input control
    89 - Converter clutch solenoid circuit failure
    91 - Shift solenoid 1 circuit failure (E4OD)
    92 - Shift solenoid 2 circuit failure (E4OD)
    93 - Coast clutch solenoid circuit failure (E4OD)
    94 - Converter clutch solenoid circuit failure (E4OD)
    95 - Fuel pump secondary circuit failure - PCM to ground
    96 - Fuel pump secondary circuit failure - battery to PCM
    97 - Overdrive cancel indicator light - circuit failure (E4OD)
    98 - Electronic pressure control driver open in PCM (E4OD)
    98 - Hard fault present
    99 - Electronic pressure control circuit failure (E4OD)
    111 - System pass
    112 - ACT sensor circuit grounded or reads 254°F
    113 - ACT sensor circuit open or reads -40°F
    114 - ACT outside test limits during KOEO or KOER tests
    116 - ECT outside test limits during KOEO or KOER tests
    117 - ECT sensor circuit grounded
    117 - ECT sensor circuit below minimum voltage or reads 254°F
    118 - ECT sensor circuit open
    118 - ECT sensor circuit below maximum voltage or reads -40°F
    121 - Closed throttle voltage higher or tower than expected
    122 - TP sensor circuit below minimum voltage
    123 - TP sensor circuit below maximum voltage
    126 - BP or MAP sensor higher or lower than expected
    128 - MAP vacuum circuit failure
    129 - Insufficient MAF or MAP change during dynamic responded test
    144 - No HEGO switching detected
    167 - Insufficient TP change during dynamic response test
    171 - Fuel system at adaptive limit, HEGO unable to switch
    172 - HEGO shows system always lean
    173 - HEGO shows system always rich
    174 - HEGO switching time is slow
    179 - Fuel at lean adaptive limit at part throttle; system rich
    181 - Fuel at rich adaptive limit at part throttle; system lean
    182 - Fuel at lean adaptive limit at idle; system rich
    183 - Fuel at rich adaptive limit at idle; system lean
    211 - PIP circuit fault
    212 - Loss of IDM input to PCM or SPOUT circuit grounded
    213 - Spout circuit open
    224 - Erratic IDM input to processor
    225 - Knocked not sensed during dynamic response test
    311 - Thermactor air system inoperative
    312 - Thermactor air upstream during self-test
    313 - Thermactor air not bypassed during self-test
    327 - EVP or DPFE circuit below minimum voltage
    328 - EGR closed voltage higher than expected
    332 - Insufficient EGR flow detected
    334 - EGR closed voltage higher than expected
    337 - EVP or DPFE circuit above maximum voltage
    411 - Cannot control rpm during KOER low rpm check
    412 - Cannot control rpm during KOER high rpm check
    452 - Insufficient input from vehicle speed sensor
    511 - EEC processor ROM test failed
    512 - EEC processor Keep Alive Memory test failed
    513 - Failure in EEC processor internal voltage
    519 - Power steering pressure switch circuit open
    521 - Power steering pressure switch did not change state
    525 - Vehicle in gear or A/C on during self-test
    536 - Brake on/off circuit failure, switch not actuated during KOER test
    538 - Insufficient RPM change during KOER dynamic response test
    538 - Operator error
    542 - Fuel pump secondary circuit failure: PCM to ground
    543 - Fuel pump secondary circuit failure: Battery to PCM
    552 - Air management 1 circuit failure
    553 - Air management 2 circuit failure
    556 - Fuel pump primary circuit failure
    558 - EGR vacuum regulator circuit failure
    565 - Canister purge circuit failure
    569 - Canister purge 2 circuit failure
    617 - 1-2 shift error (E4OD)
    618 - 2-3 shift error (E4OD)
    619 - 3-4 shift error (E4OD)
    621 - Shift solenoid 1 circuit failure
    622 - Shift solenoid 2 circuit failure
    624 - EPC solenoid or driver circuit failure
    625 - EPC driver open in PCM
    626 - Coast clutch solenoid circuit failure (E4OD)
    627 - Converter clutch solenoid circuit failure (E4OD)
    628 - Converter clutch error (E4OD)
    629 - Converter clutch control circuit failure
    631 - Overdrive cancel indicator light circuit failure
    632 - Overdrive cancel switch not changing states (E4OD)
    633 - 4WD switch is closed
    634 - MLP sensor voltage out of self-test range, A/C on
    636 - TOT sensor voltage out of self-test range
    637 - TOT sensor circuit above maximum voltage
    638 - TOT sensor circuit below minimum voltage
    654 - MLP sensor not in park position
    998 - Hard fault present
    Definitions

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    Ok here is the update. Found mashed pintle on one old injector, ok still ran like poop after turning it off and restarting to drive.

    So after getting 2 codes for the TPS, I installed a new one. Boom, drives and idles awesome..........................................U NTIL I shut the damn thing off and restart to drive!!

    I pull back home and smell gas. I open the hood and quickly notice the fuel psi gauge is already at zero!! I check all fuel lines, clean, I check the injectors, to my surprise one of them is leaking, and not from an o-ring but from the middle of the body!

    Cheap garbage! I call JEGS and get the run-around from them, they cant ship one injector, only in sets and by mail form. Jerks.

    I would like other thoughts on this theory. It runs like poop when restarted cuz all the fuel leaked out from the injector, causing a low fuel psi problem until it was able to build up enough??? Seems good once I start driving it for more than 6-7 secs.

    I'm going to swap in an old Ford 24# and make sure it's the Venom injector.
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    Sweet! Fix that leak and maybe everything will be good now.

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    those codes should be put on a sticky

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    just swap out the one old injector with one of the ford ones that still looks ok see if it drives fine. i agree aftermarket inj. suck jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurphysLaw88GT
    those codes should be put on a sticky
    or you can get them here:

    http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/

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    cool thx...................

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    15 charicter minimum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRM-REPR5.0
    I pulled out all the old injectors and all Ohm'd out at .9 to .8 respectively.
    Why are you running low impedence injectors!?!? Did I miss something? Your running a standard A9L correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt
    Why are you running low impedence injectors!?!? Did I miss something? Your running a standard A9L correct?
    Good catch, but .9 on what scale? I didn't ask because he said they were 24's and most low impedance injectors flow much higher...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg@GLD
    Good catch, but .9 on what scale? I didn't ask because he said they were 24's and most low impedance injectors flow much higher...
    I blew it off as a scale thing to, but even then it's gonna be 8-9 ohms, which is still wacked.

    Remember when Fast1990GT was having problems with his EFI? We went round and round and round with that one. Every one was asking him if he had his TPS voltage set corrrectly and he insisted that he had it Set at .9 volts. I went over to his house to check it myself and it turns out that he was checking his TPS voltage with his Multimeter set on ohms!!!!!!! ARRGH!

    Im not saying thats the case here, but the whole .9 ohm impedence thing reminded me of that situation.


    As far as this case goes, there is whole lot that needs to be checked on this thing. I.E. the ten pin connectors, all the critical EEC grounds, is there an engine to chassis ground strap?, what's the MAF voltage at idle, yada yada. Diagnosing this stuff on the net is real pita.

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