Trying to talk down the fact that the Diablo used the 300zx headlights in their design and cover the word nissan on the top with a carbon fiber strip.
http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/vbfo...z-lights-6119/
Score one for Japanese imports ;)
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Trying to talk down the fact that the Diablo used the 300zx headlights in their design and cover the word nissan on the top with a carbon fiber strip.
http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/vbfo...z-lights-6119/
Score one for Japanese imports ;)
They didn't exactly steal them. Saying they "stole" them is misinformation.
Either way Diablo>300zx anyway. lol.
there are a lot of common parts shared by various manufacturers of both cars, and bikes. the development/tooling/piece costs are typically insanely high for head/tail lamps..so its not that uncommon. you would think that lambo, being a premier exotic would design their own instead of using some econo-box ones:D
I'm sure you can google a million different cars and see a bunch of similar body parts and/or head lights/tail lights.
To me the G8 kind of looks like an Acura TL from some angles, but maybe its just me.
G8
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...ow_12z2009.jpg
TL
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...8AcuraTL01.jpg
I never said anything about stealing, also never said the Z was anywhere near the lambo....obviously 2 cars in 2 different leagues which is why i posted this in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exitspeed
That's a g8 compared to a TL, show me a Ferrari taking s2000 taillights, covering the HONDA print and putting it on the new modena and then you can prove a point. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deggy Fresh
My bad. I thought you were the guy on the other forum stirring things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by gottwins?
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Hey guys.
I have just received information that lamborghini stole the fairlady Z lights for the Diablo (the second series such as in my picture). And it turns out it is true. All I aska is why? Lamborghini is the greatest car manfactuarer in the entire world. They are more then cappable of making there own lights. Look at the gallardo for instance.
I wasn't trying to "prove a point". I was just using what seemed to me as an easy example of how all makes and models at least now a days all use similar designs.
But if you want me to use a "base model car" using "Lux/Exotic" parts....
How about the JDM Toyota Cavalier using Supra turn signals in front bumper?
Sure they are both Toyota, but couldn't they of made lights specifically for the JDM Cav?
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Originally Posted by Exitspeed
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Originally Posted by gottwins?
Nah, he could have approached it from a different angle lol :rolfQuote:
Originally Posted by Exitspeed
That still isn't really my point...the supra was not an exotic when it came out at $40k, its a sports car like a corvette, a z, and a 3000gt. You said it yourself...Toyota cavalier and Toyota supra...not toyota cavalier and a Lamborghini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deggy Fresh
Okay, I'm just misunderstanding you're comparison.
My bad, carry on.
Im just giving credit to the Japanese designers, if koenigsegg took the camaro headlights and covered the chevy name with a piece of carbon fiber im sure the camaro designers deserve some kind of "props", no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deggy Fresh
Alright, now I understand what you are trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by gottwins?
I agree 100%.
Sorry I am a little slow from time to time.
this conversation stems from a jolopnik article from a few weeks back.
http://jalopnik.com/tag/what-unexpec...ars-shared%3f/
I giggled when I saw 4th gen trans-am tail lights on a weinermobile:thumbsup
I have no problem with lambo focusing on the performance of the vehicle rather than designing headlights.
I'm surprised this only came to light now - and I'm sure there are a ton of other parts that aren't worth mentioning or investigating that have been purchased from other manufacturers.
lol I love how people downplay and say this.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureSound15
If I was paying that kind of money I surely would. These are headlights not some kind of gas pedal or cig lighter in the car...its a pretty important piece in the overall design.
Something on a total different level..imagine having essential body camaro parts on a mustang..ohhh the uproar on both sides there would be...but hey who would care right? as long as the power plant was good. :rolleyes:
its just like the noble super cars using hyundai sonata lights
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...03/noble_2.jpg
It all depends on why you like the car. If you've never had the chance to go for a ride in a Lambo - then sure, you would be concerned about what car the headlights come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by gottwins?
Are Nascar fans upset because the body isn't the actual car? That there aren't actually headlights? Of course not - it's about the driver and the race more than it is the headlight itself.
If I spent $200k+ on a car like that - I'd be more concerned with the fact that it's a world class performance built "supercar"
I don't know that I'm down playing anything - realistically I think it's the Nissan guys wanting to be able to say that Lamborghini uses their headlights. Who cares?
It's all about opportunity cost... Why re-engineer something that already works? Do you think Lamborghini, Noble or Lotus want to employ ANOTHER engineer who specializes in optics or buy the tooling needed to produce the lights? No.
Your not paying top dollar just for the performance im sorry to let you know this, if that was the case then why is the GTR or the Zr1 a fraction of the price of a new lambo? Your paying for the name and along with the name comes overall engineering and the exotic look.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureSound15
Your last paragraph makes no sense, these high end companies hire people specialize in interiors to design even the smallest thing in the inside but its justifiable to cheap out on designing some headlights? LoL
Cheap and Lamborghini don't belong in the same sentence. They take something they see that's made well enough to put into their super-cars and buy it...for that you have to give credit to the original makers.
If you designed something and Ferrari took it and put it on their f40, you would be singing a different tune and not just saying that they picked your shit out of a bag because they were to cheap to make for themselves.
The GTR and the ZR1 both come from automobile companies that make hundreds of thousands of cars - far more than Lamborghini. The GTR and ZR1 both come from companies that have (well... kind of for GM) discovered the profitability of economies of scale and scope (am I losing you?).Quote:
Originally Posted by gottwins?
Sure - I can certainly understand your point in the case that some dbag buys a lambo just so that he can say he has a lambo only to discover that his headlights are from a Nissan.
My point is that - the guy that bought the lambo because of it's history as one of the worlds finest automobiles, collect ability, performance, lack of annual depreciation and pure love for the world of cars will not care that Lamborghini chose to save that R&D money and invest it into another portion of the car.
90% of Ferrari owners, Lambo owners and other exotic car owners are douche bags - The other 10% are the Jim Fuchs, the Andy Schroeders and other true gentleman that appreciate the car because it's a piece of art and respect the historical significance of those cars.
This is true, which is why I like to point it out. I had an argument with a lambo owner last year, according to him it was vice versa and my car was to cheap to design its own headlights.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureSound15
Im not sure if you know anything about art but I do, which is why I love my car. You can't take a piece of someone elses work of art, put it into yours and simply think nothing of it but obviously for some people you can.
In all honesty I didn't make this thread to gloat, I believe my car is a timeless work of art that broke from the conventional 80's look to something simply gorgeous whether you or anyone else agrees. The fact that Lamborghini used it does not affect the way I perceive her either...im just saying that it was a beautiful design and to give credit where its due for it, beautiful enough to be on a Lamborghini, but obviously we will not agree on this.
You guys are missing the point. In the late eighties when the diablo was being developed Lamborghini was in rough shape financially. Like most supercar manufacturers after the 1988 stock market crash, they were willing to do whatever it took to stay in business. Also remember they were owned by Chrysler at the time, and they could have given a shit about 50 years of hand built Italian heritage. They wanted a profitable car and the prestige that came with owning the brand.
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Originally Posted by shoooo32
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Originally Posted by gottwins?
do you have any idea whats all involved in headlamp design? lead times from concept to production part will take more than a year. tooling costs are insanely high, (thousands and thousands.)
there is a ton of testing that has to happen...heat tests, leak test, weathering, vibration, light pattern studies, lifecycle testing, how it works with the vehicles charging system....etc. it has to meet world homologation tests...the list goes on and on. its ridiculous how many man hours and dollars it takes
so how much did Lambo save by using a headlamp that is currently in production, and getting a vehicle out in the market sooner (making sales), rather than delaying launch because of headlights? hundreds of thousands.
also headlights arent designed in house... in theory. concept sketching is, but that actual physical design and development is done by the supplier
Ok I know your trying to be cool or whatever but I never said they didn't save money, I never said they didn't save time,and I never said it was an overnight project so...???:durrQuote:
Originally Posted by Troutman
They are designing a fucking Lamborghini LMAO why is this so hard to understand? They design the exterior, the engine, the interior, but omg the headlights would save so much compared to everything else.
Besides, this whole discussion isn't about the economics of designing cars in the first place this is getting completely off track...thanks for taking it one step further after my last post. As always troutman your useless comments and witty remarks are embraced by me, its why I like you so much.:flipoff:
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Originally Posted by gottwins?
anything to up the post count for another one of your ridiculous "look how awesome the nissan Z32 is" threads.
I guess I can't see why one would get so excited about sharing a part so menial as a headlight? I mean, it's not like they're using the engine from nissan or anything.
I mean, I don't get excited that I wear the same brand of underwear as Micheal Jordan, nor does it imply anything as to my ability to dunk a basketball.
Whatever you say champ :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Troutman
Who's getting exited? This was originally about the lambo owners getting all defensive then the "who cares" or the "it dosen't matter" comments started rolling in. I guess as long as its not an american car it holds no significance not even worth mentioning and to credit the design is nothing but gloating :rolf lol whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Valiant