The RSD Discussion

[Car Guy]

Glad to see GLD as a sponsor.....:thumbsup

[juicedimpss]

hell yeah,welcome to the board GLD.

[Greg@GLD]

Thanks guys. Just want to say on behalf of 'Da Grove that we REALLY appreciate your business and support over the years. We don't care what you drive, we want your business.

I am working hard today, will make a new post outlining some things with regard to GLD. We paid to sponsor BCM, so there won't be any "You guys are promoting your business for free" drama. :D

[Crawlin]

hahaha

but that's what this site is... bunch of drama queens :)

[juicedimpss]

Thanks guys. Just want to say on behalf of 'Da Grove that we REALLY appreciate your business and support over the years. We don't care what you drive, we want your business.

I am working hard today, will make a new post outlining some things with regard to GLD. We paid to sponsor BCM, so there won't be any "You guys are promoting your business for free" drama. :D

btw,glad to see you back around here greg.
:thumbsup

[Greg@GLD]

btw,glad to see you back around here greg.
:thumbsup

I'm the original and FIRST member of BCM. ;)

I'm here to talk about cars and racing, I really hate that drama crap. I'll try to just bite my tongue and stay out of that stuff.

Like it says in my title-

"It's about the CARS stupid!" :thumbsup

[70 cutlass 442]

can puffenuff be blocked from this forum??

[Greg@GLD]

can puffenuff be blocked from this forum??

:devil

[Cutlass Queen]

:devil

Hey Greg! Welcome back :banana1:

[Car Guy]

I must say something like this is way over due, should have been done years ago but now is better than never. I always like to know what's going on at the grove but am always too lazy to look at the schedule :durr . If Greg can keep up on current happenings @ GLD with this forum and answer people's questions IN A BUSINESS LIKE MANNER (WeakEnuf :rolleyes: ) it will bring interested people down to the track for sure.....

I have been going down to GLD for nearly 20 years now and hope it's around in another 20, just bigger/better than ever.....:headbang
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[Crawlin]

Hopefully we can get all the posts about Slicks only night in here then!

[Irish]

Glad to see you are back!

[ND4SPD]

Alright,
Even though I've never been to one, I know this has been a hot topic as of late so I'm going to bring it up.

Greg, as you've probably seen there has been a rather intense (intentional understatement) debate recently over the workings of the Real Street Drags.

Could you please elaborate on generally how the event is set up? I'm sure there are people like me who would like to go to an RSD event, but don't necessarily want to sit on the sidelines the first time we go down. Is there any structure to the races or do you just walk up to someone in the pits and challenge them, etc...?

Furthermore there has been some disagreement as to whether the betting aspect of RSDs is being pushed a little too hard. In my opinion it is (I realize that the GLD staff may not have direct control over this). My understanding is that the purpose of events like Real Street Drags is to get the racing off the streets and into a safer, more controlled environment. Now, personally I feel that if the impression is given that you have to start throwing down all kinds of money on race bets (in addition to what it's already costing you to fuel and maintain your vehicle, along with entry fees) that a large number of people will be turned off from the event. Plus with people like Tuff going around and intimidating, teasing, or otherwise irritating people who aren't interested in gambling hundereds of dollars on races is not going to bring new inexperienced racers/customers in. So, what I think the question is: is there any attempt to focus RSD in one particular direction or another? Do you want big money crowd pleasing races? Little or no money races that will draw in more racers? Or, are you (or will you) try to balance both?

[Car Guy]

I couldn't have said it any better myself.....:thumbsup

[Crawlin]

90% of the races are for $100 all the way down to cheeseburgers

8% of the races are for 200-500

2% of the race are for more than $500

When it's a $1000 race, usually it's a whole "crew" all tossing in their 10's and 20's to reach that big amount.

Come on down and have a couple beers with us :) (after racing of course)

[Waver]

when is the next rsd?

[Greg@GLD]

I want to reply to this in detail. I am out working right now, I am asking that you guys let me sit down at my desk in my office when I can reply the way I need to.

Thanks dooods!

[badass88gt]

I thought you said you are working out right now. I need better reading skills.

[Greg@GLD]

when is the next rsd?

Friday, September 19th Nick...

[Greg@GLD]

I thought you said you are working out right now. I need better reading skills.

I have a laptop with me all day but I don't want to reply without thinking my response thru carefully. I work out early in the morning. :D

[07ROUSHSTG3]

nice to see you over here!

[TuffEnuff]

can puffenuff be blocked from this forum??

I handle the street racing stuff. The "politicaly correct/ass kissing" stuff is not my style.It's nice to see a GLD forum on here for you guys to discuss your test and tune adventures.

Maybe we should set up a meeting at a starbucks , sip latte' and talk to each other via PM's on our lap tops? :rolf

The convo can start with:

"I know something you dont, but, I want say what it is..." :rolf

or "I changed my airfilter and picked up 10 HP! woot!" :rolf




Hi greggy... :devil

;)

[DRK]

I handle the street racing stuff. The "politicaly correct/ass kissing" stuff is not my style.It's nice to see a GLD forum on here for you guys to discuss your test and tune adventures.

Maybe we should set up a meeting at a starbucks , sip latte' and talk to each other via PM's on our lap tops? :rolf

The convo can start with:

"I know something you dont, but, I want say what it is..." :rolf

or "I changed my airfilter and picked up 10 HP! woot!" :rolf


I wonder how the local sheriffs and the I.R.S feel about the illegal gambling operation your running out of GLD?

[Irish]

My uncle works for the IRS. Someone PM Tuff's real name.

[Car Guy]

Here we go.....:)

[Greg@GLD]

I handle the street racing stuff. The "politicaly correct/ass kissing" stuff is not my style.It's nice to see a GLD forum on here for you guys to discuss your test and tune adventures.

Maybe we should set up a meeting at a starbucks , sip latte' and talk to each other via PM's on our lap tops? :rolf

The convo can start with:

"I know something you dont, but, I want say what it is..." :rolf

or "I changed my airfilter and picked up 10 HP! woot!" :rolf




Hi greggy... :devil

;)

That's it. I'm kicking your ass. :chair:

:wow

Seriously though...
I'll have a lot to say about this "Stuff" tonight. Brian and I have been friends a LONG time. I understand his "schtick" but he goes way overboard with it. If you know Brian like some of us do, you know a lot of this stuff is just "part of the show". In the past, it wasn't my place to really say anything about it. Now things have changed.

I have a lot to say now. :headbang

Before this thread goes to shit, give me chance to provide some background on all this RSD stuff and provide some insight, and then I would love to hear what you guys and gals have to say. I want to know what's on your mind and what you say DOES matter very much. I would like there to be a dialog here though, this isn't going to turn into a drama-laden free-for-all, ok?

[Irish]

That's it. I'm kicking your ass. :chair:

:wow

Seriously though...
I'll have a lot to say about this "Stuff" tonight. Brian and I have been friends a LONG time. I understand his "schtick" but he goes way overboard with it. If you know Brian like some of us do, you know a lot of this stuff is just "part of the show". In the past, it wasn't my place to really say anything about it. Now things have changed.

I have a lot to say now. :headbang

Before this thread goes to shit, give me chance to provide some background on all this RSD stuff and provide some insight, and then I would love to hear what you guys and gals have to say. I want to know what's on your mind and what you say DOES matter very much. I would like there to be a dialog here though, this isn't going to turn into a drama-laden free-for-all, ok?

Greg it's one thing to rib someone and call them out, it's a whole other story when you start insulting people right off the bat.

[Greg@GLD]

Here we go.....:)

Nah... Relax. We'll muddle thru.

[Greg@GLD]

Greg it's one thing to rib someone and call them out, it's a whole other story when you start insulting people right off the bat.

Agree 100% Josh.

We'll talk about it. In depth. We're gonna edumacate Puff 'N fluff. That or we'll string him up from the tower and set him on fire.

[juicedimpss]

Agree 100% Josh.

We'll talk about it. In depth. We're gonna edumacate Puff 'N fluff. That or we'll string him up from the tower and set him on fire.

a tuffenuff pinata ?


hey batter batter batter .................





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[Want_Notch]

Welcome back Greg.................

[70 cutlass 442]

I handle the street racing stuff. The "politicaly correct/ass kissing" stuff is not my style.It's nice to see a GLD forum on here for you guys to discuss your test and tune adventures.

Maybe we should set up a meeting at a starbucks , sip latte' and talk to each other via PM's on our lap tops? :rolf

The convo can start with:

"I know something you dont, but, I want say what it is..." :rolf

or "I changed my airfilter and picked up 10 HP! woot!" :rolf




Hi greggy... :devil

;)

if the lattes' are on you then name when and where.

[Cryptic]

Sponsor forums are not a place to be bashing one another and useless banter.

http://www.spiritsd.ca/teachers/loretta.harpham/Peter%20Griffin/peter_griffin.jpg

[TuffEnuff]

a tuffenuff pinata ?


hey batter batter batter .................




http://bp0.blogger.com/_Hfi3T4lbtHo/RbWJO7hCndI/AAAAAAAAACw/xGCmszuhg9w/s320/wrigley.jpg
swing


Step right up Ferris... :rolf

[Greg@GLD]

Sponsor forums are not a place to be bashing one another and useless banter.

http://www.spiritsd.ca/teachers/loretta.harpham/Peter%20Griffin/peter_griffin.jpg



LOL.... I think we're actually going to get some things straightened out here and make some real progress. There's so many things we can discuss just from what has been posted already.

I gotta get back to work now... :D

[badass88gt]

I love GLD. I wish it were closer. Just the atmosphere at events like the Nitrous Brawls make me feel all warm inside. Compared to what I'm used to up here, the constant "special" events, the atmosphere, the concessions, the layout, everything about GLD is just fantastic.

Keep up the good work.

[Irish]

I love GLD. I wish it were closer. Just the atmosphere at events like the Nitrous Brawls make me feel all warm inside. Compared to what I'm used to up here, the constant "special" events, the atmosphere, the concessions, the layout, everything about GLD is just fantastic.

Keep up the good work.

WELL SAID! X2

[Nix]

I hope that Fluff's NOT GONNA GET PAID to handle the rsd stuff... HES NOT GETTIN PAID!!! Damn baby. :rolf :rolf

Like I said before I don't know him but saw the video and laugh my ass off everytime! Thanks Fluffy :D

x2 on the gld schedule type thing, that would be a great add on to this site.

How about lowering the prices to get in to gld on certain days? Or do you already have that? :wow

[Cryptic]

patience... GLD does plan to offer discounts here from time to time. Give Greg some time to pull his info together.

[Greg@GLD]

patience... GLD does plan to offer discounts here from time to time. Give Greg some time to pull his info together.

:thumbsup :banana:banana

[Breecher_7]

Welcome, Glad to see you as a sponsor.

Ive voiced my concern for my obvious issue with GLD enough, I wont bring it in here.

[Car Guy]

Sponsor forums are not a place to be bashing one another and useless banter.



We all know but it's like crack to a crackhead....:devil

[T-Bag]

Nice to see GLD as a sponsor and Greg as the diplomat of sorts...if anyone can handle this in a professional manner its Greg.

[Greg@GLD]

Welcome, Glad to see you as a sponsor.

Ive voiced my concern for my obvious issue with GLD enough, I wont bring it in here.

We want to talk about your concerns.

[Breecher_7]

We want to talk about your concerns.

Ill pm it to you. Its been heavily discussed in another forum already.

[TuffEnuff]

....in wisconsin, the word..."diplomat"...means.... well, lets just say it rhymes with "ash kisser".

Is that what you guys/girls/guys who are now girls... really want? Really?

:rolf

[70 cutlass 442]

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Is that what you guys/girls/guys who are now girls... really want? Really?

:rolf


thats fvcking funny rite there :rolf :rolf

[T-Bag]

....in wisconsin, the word..."diplomat"...means.... well, lets just say it rhymes with "ash kisser".

Is that what you guys/girls/guys who are now girls... really want? Really?

:rolf

Hey good luck getting new customers being a complete douche. Let Greg handle this and keep to trolling the clocks-off forum.

[juicedimpss]

thats fvcking funny rite there :rolf :rolf

yes it was.

[Greg@GLD]

We can make this forum off limits to Brian. Perhaps sooner than later..

[scottie K]

iM SURE GREG WILL FILL US IN ON RSD STUFF ....... :headbang

[Greg@GLD]

....in wisconsin, the word..."diplomat"...means.... well, lets just say it rhymes with "ash kisser".

Is that what you guys/girls/guys who are now girls... really want? Really?

:rolf

I hate drama. But... you opened the door, so... :devil

If the way I choose to treat our CUSTOMERS is "ass kissing" I'm fine with that. I've been kissing the customer's asses in the companies my wife and I own for many years. Seems to be a direct correlation between success in business and treating customers like they deserve to be treated and not as expendable afterthoughts Brian. Standing behind a sound board and playing MP3 files at dances and weddings does not require much thought or ability. Come up to the shack some time for dinner, Missie and I can show you how treating customers properly can have a dramatic effect on your personal wealth. ;)

You have no clue how to treat people, it's all a funny joke to you and the chickens are coming home to roost. Your event at WIR has become a joke and the attendance at GLD is down the tubes. And don't point to the attendance at RSD for Travis, because people came to that IN SPITE of you, to show support for Travis.

You've alienated just about everyone on Chitown Racing, they took away your mod status because you changed people's posts and deleted things, and you've insulted and belittled just about everyone in this great state of Wisconsin. People just eat that up, they want to come to your event! They want to help support your venture! (Really?)

Keep up the great work Brian. :headbang

In the mean time, I'll keep doing what works for me.


Kiss Kiss Kiss. I love you.

[GTSLOW]

I hate drama. But... you opened the door, so... :devil

If the way I choose to treat our CUSTOMERS is "ass kissing" I'm fine with that. I've been kissing the customer's asses in the companies my wife and I own for many years. Seems to be a direct correlation between success in business and treating customers like they deserve to be treated and not as expendable afterthoughts Brian. Standing behind a sound board and playing MP3 files at dances and weddings does not require much thought or ability. Come up to the shack some time for dinner, Missie and I can show you how treating customers properly can have a dramatic effect on your personal wealth. ;)

You have no clue how to treat people, it's all a funny joke to you and the chickens are coming home to roost. Your event at WIR has become a joke and the attendance at GLD is down the tubes. And don't point to the attendance at RSD for Travis, because people came to that IN SPITE of you, to show support for Travis.

You've alienated just about everyone on Chitown Racing, they took away your mod status because you changed people's posts and deleted things, and you've insulted and belittled just about everyone in this great state of Wisconsin. People just eat that up, they want to come to your event! They want to help support your venture! (Really?)

Keep up the great work Brian. :headbang

In the mean time, I'll keep doing what works for me.


Kiss Kiss Kiss. I love you.

Fluffnuff = http://s-seriesforum.com/albums/album86/owned.thumb.gif

[Car Guy]

http://home.comcast.net/~xterraguy/VW-OhSnap.gif

Greg, both of us think very much alike.....:devil

It's unfortunate but many people can't grasp that concept.....:shades

[Darrell]

I hate drama. But... you opened the door, so... :devil

If the way I choose to treat our CUSTOMERS is "ass kissing" I'm fine with that. I've been kissing the customer's asses in the companies my wife and I own for many years. Seems to be a direct correlation between success in business and treating customers like they deserve to be treated and not as expendable afterthoughts Brian. Standing behind a sound board and playing MP3 files at dances and weddings does not require much thought or ability. Come up to the shack some time for dinner, Missie and I can show you how treating customers properly can have a dramatic effect on your personal wealth. ;)

You have no clue how to treat people, it's all a funny joke to you and the chickens are coming home to roost. Your event at WIR has become a joke and the attendance at GLD is down the tubes. And don't point to the attendance at RSD for Travis, because people came to that IN SPITE of you, to show support for Travis.

You've alienated just about everyone on Chitown Racing, they took away your mod status because you changed people's posts and deleted things, and you've insulted and belittled just about everyone in this great state of Wisconsin. People just eat that up, they want to come to your event! They want to help support your venture! (Really?)

Keep up the great work Brian. :headbang

In the mean time, I'll keep doing what works for me.


Kiss Kiss Kiss. I love you.

Post of the year!

Maybe he has no desire for personal wealth Greg. He might just be content being a high school dance DJ for the rest of his life.

[T-Bag]

I hate drama. But... you opened the door, so... :devil

If the way I choose to treat our CUSTOMERS is "ass kissing" I'm fine with that. I've been kissing the customer's asses in the companies my wife and I own for many years. Seems to be a direct correlation between success in business and treating customers like they deserve to be treated and not as expendable afterthoughts Brian. Standing behind a sound board and playing MP3 files at dances and weddings does not require much thought or ability. Come up to the shack some time for dinner, Missie and I can show you how treating customers properly can have a dramatic effect on your personal wealth. ;)

You have no clue how to treat people, it's all a funny joke to you and the chickens are coming home to roost. Your event at WIR has become a joke and the attendance at GLD is down the tubes. And don't point to the attendance at RSD for Travis, because people came to that IN SPITE of you, to show support for Travis.

You've alienated just about everyone on Chitown Racing, they took away your mod status because you changed people's posts and deleted things, and you've insulted and belittled just about everyone in this great state of Wisconsin. People just eat that up, they want to come to your event! They want to help support your venture! (Really?)

Keep up the great work Brian. :headbang

In the mean time, I'll keep doing what works for me.


Kiss Kiss Kiss. I love you.


Well put!

[Slow Joe]

Well, I'm a little late on this, but it's good to see the new forum! Keep up the good work that's already started :thumbsup Maybe we'll even make it out with the Mach this year, but no time before the honeymoon...

[88Nightmare]

greg, nice to see you back on here.

and as for tuff (brian), I've helped him out at the track a number of nights on slicks night/bike nights, and once for RSD. In person, he is a much different character then online, the differences are astonishing :rolf

[Car Guy]

I will agree to that 110%, met him on more than one occasion and was always great to talk with. However, more people will meet him online and you know what they say about first impressions.....:wooo

[Greg@GLD]

Look guys, I've been one of his supporters over the years, I tell people that all the time; that the "internet guy" and the one who's a real human being are very different people.

I'm sure several of you can recall a couple summers ago, he got "into it" with Nismo and Pork? Surely you would recall the "Dismal Dave and Dork" threads? He got Dave pretty worked up. Several people here threatened to beat Brian's ass. To his credit, Brian showed up at Culvers. I was there that night. It didn't take long for people who didn't know him to realize that he was just doing his "internet" thing.
But things are very different today with regard to GLD- I'm not able to get him to understand that we're at a crossroads with the dragstrip and we need customers in large numbers, and driving them away with this "schtick" isn't the recipe for future success. I often laugh at his stuff too, (in a good way) he can be VERY funny, but sometimes to the guy who is the target of the photoshop pictures or the insults about Wisconsin, or driving and car setups and all that, it can be very UNfunny.

What he's done with the "ass kissing" thing is step right on my toes at a time when we are facing a very real crisis with regard to revenue versus outlay. The longterm survival of GLD trumps the desire to let him do what he does and look the other way. I know it's affecting us, people send me feedback and they send it to Randy and Dom. (Randy's not digging this shit Brian!) :fire

That's just fact.

I would like to "mind my own business" with regard to Brian, but there's a much bigger picture here and and this is SERIOUS. I feel bad about what I said about his vocation, I don't think it's cool to 'dis on what a guy does to feed his family, be it changing oil, flipping burgers, whatever. But he got under my skin, and he's damn good at that. :D

You may think "This is stuff you guys should discuss in private" and I'd agree. Problem is we HAVE, for HOURS, and he just ain't getting it. Anyone who's argued with him can tell you he gets it in his head that he's gonna get the last word in NO MATTER WHAT and he will NOT listen to reason.

So it is what it is. What I am trying to do, and this is what the majority owners want as well, is to provide a little counter-viewpoint to the impression he's giving that GLD as an organization must condone what he does and says, and that's just not true. We ask him to stop, he won't, in fact his style is to "fight back harder" and piss people off more. I can say it in public and I don't care what he thinks- Randy, Dom and yea, ME, aren't digging this shit and we need to get a handle on it. GLD is about much more than RSD and if people are not coming to our facility because of what he's doing out there, (there's plenty of evidence that this is indeed the case) then we need to get a handle on it.

Hope this is making sense to you guys reading this...

There's a balance between creating "drama and excitement" and alienating your customer base. In a nutshell, Brian feels that the things he does on the internet make people WANT to come to RSD and want to take part in his drama thing. He points to "thread views" and says "See! look how many people are looking at my drama topics!" and he thinks that equates to more customers. We look at declining attendance numbers, complaints from our very valued customers and the things we also read on the web, and we feel he's WRONG and he's HURTING us. He does a great job at making the track hook, that's for sure. But if there's nobody making any passes then what's the point?

What do YOU people think about this? That's what we need to hear. PLEASE post your opinions on what I just said- Let us know- Do YOU "like" to be insulted and do you then in turn want to come to our facility because of what he does, or do you think "**** that childish bullshit, I just want to race and will NEVER support that event?" Or are you somewhere in the middle? I've laid things out pretty candidly here folks, and what YOU (our customers and potential customers) think is what counts. So let us know. Please?

Thanks for reading...

~Greg

[Car Guy]

All I have to say that there is a BIG difference between 'ribbing' people and doing what he does. Like you just described in excellent detail he doesn't know when stop and/or at least tone it down to a 'customer friendly' level. That's when people get irritated, and then don't feel like going to GLD regardless of who he is in person. I'm sure everybody realizes that Brian is a decent part of what makes GLD tick as a whole. However, when you have one piece of the puzzle that's not 100% contusive to what GLD is trying to do as a whole you have to make tough decisions. To me crap like that wouldn't stand if I was running the show, and especially after numerous discussions.....

Now by no means am I saying get rid of him, but it gets to a certain point to where someone can hurt you more than they're helping without even realizing it. I know I'm not telling you anything new but there is NO way a business can prosper with flaws, end of story. There’s a reason most of the public looks at ‘business’ people like the devil themselves, because you have to make REALLY tough decisions sometimes.....
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[Irish]

Look guys, I've been one of his supporters over the years, I tell people that all the time; that the "internet guy" and the one who's a real human being are very different people.

I'm sure several of you can recall a couple summers ago, he got "into it" with Nismo and Pork? Surely you would recall the "Dismal Dave and Dork" threads? He got Dave pretty worked up. Several people here threatened to beat Brian's ass. To his credit, Brian showed up at Culvers. I was there that night. It didn't take long for people who didn't know him to realize that he was just doing his "internet" thing.
But things are very different today with regard to GLD- I'm not able to get him to understand that we're at a crossroads with the dragstrip and we need customers in large numbers, and driving them away with this "schtick" isn't the recipe for future success. I often laugh at his stuff too, (in a good way) he can be VERY funny, but sometimes to the guy who is the target of the photoshop pictures or the insults about Wisconsin, or driving and car setups and all that, it can be very UNfunny.

What he's done with the "ass kissing" thing is step right on my toes at a time when we are facing a very real crisis with regard to revenue versus outlay. The longterm survival of GLD trumps the desire to let him do what he does and look the other way. I know it's affecting us, people send me feedback and they send it to Randy and Dom. (Randy's not digging this shit Brian!) :fire

That's just fact.

I would like to "mind my own business" with regard to Brian, but there's a much bigger picture here and and this is SERIOUS. I feel bad about what I said about his vocation, I don't think it's cool to 'dis on what a guy does to feed his family, be it changing oil, flipping burgers, whatever. But he got under my skin, and he's damn good at that. :D

You may think "This is stuff you guys should discuss in private" and I'd agree. Problem is we HAVE, for HOURS, and he just ain't getting it. Anyone who's argued with him can tell you he gets it in his head that he's gonna get the last word in NO MATTER WHAT and he will NOT listen to reason.

So it is what it is. What I am trying to do, and this is what the majority owners want as well, is to provide a little counter-viewpoint to the impression he's giving that GLD as an organization must condone what he does and says, and that's just not true. We ask him to stop, he won't, in fact his style is to "fight back harder" and piss people off more. I can say it in public and I don't care what he thinks- Randy, Dom and yea, ME, aren't digging this shit and we need to get a handle on it. GLD is about much more than RSD and if people are not coming to our facility because of what he's doing out there, (there's plenty of evidence that this is indeed the case) then we need to get a handle on it.

Hope this is making sense to you guys reading this...

There's a balance between creating "drama and excitement" and alienating your customer base. In a nutshell, Brian feels that the things he does on the internet make people WANT to come to RSD and want to take part in his drama thing. He points to "thread views" and says "See! look how many people are looking at my drama topics!" and he thinks that equates to more customers. We look at declining attendance numbers, complaints from our very valued customers and the things we also read on the web, and we feel he's WRONG and he's HURTING us. He does a great job at making the track hook, that's for sure. But if there's nobody making any passes then what's the point?

What do YOU people think about this? That's what we need to hear. PLEASE post your opinions on what I just said- Let us know- Do YOU "like" to be insulted and do you then in turn want to come to our facility because of what he does, or do you think "**** that childish bullshit, I just want to race and will NEVER support that event?" Or are you somewhere in the middle? I've laid things out pretty candidly here folks, and what YOU (our customers and potential customers) think is what counts. So let us know. Please?

Thanks for reading...

~Greg

You are right about what you said regarding Brian's split persona... I was and still am willing to do security for any and all GLD events if there is a need ie... people crowding the line and etc... I was even willing to work with Brian on the RSD events until he started generalizing all people residing in WI.

I was one of the people that wanted to shut Brian with a mouth full of knuckles for some of the comments he made, my kids live in this awesome state, so I took it pretty personally.

I wouldn't say get rid of him, I would just put a gag on him for a bit until he can learn to settle down.. I enjoy ribbing when it is all in fun. I haven't been to GLD in three years, not because of Brian; I just haven't had anything to bring down there.

I would come and be a spectator but for me it's just not worth it when you hear the same old banter coming from the same person ALL of the time. If I may suggest, I think Brian (or the person announcing) should help initiate races not instigate fights.

[awsomeears]

I think RSD is a very cool event, but what it has become is something that your " Average Racer " will Pass on only to show up to a local Test and Tune night. Not because he's " Scared " its because racing is a Hobby. Any Hobby that man or women has is Drama free. It's a comfort zone, such as fishing/hunting and so on.

So with that said most racers just simply say " Naw ill pass "

I don't have any thought on how to make RSD any better, in fact some times you have to let something die/fade out only to bring it back years later with a new attitude and direction.

I was a spectator for 2 RSD's and probably won't attend another one. GLD has other events that get my attention such as NSCBrawls and simple test and tune nights. Plus I don't feel spending $ on a event that is held by somebody that bashes WI and its racers. I know its to stir the pot and get this going but after awhile it falls on the Drama thing I was mentioning about, so like I said before


" Naw Ill pass "

[DRK]

RSD is not how the oldest drag strip in the world should be represented. GLD is a business and every aspect of that business is a representation of the rest of that business. Pressuring people into illegal sports betting over the P.A. and then shaming them for not doing so all event long, physical intimidation in the pits (for money races), true lack of organization, and miles of internet drama being played out, etc. Would all be things I would think no one wants representing there business. my .03

[Greg@GLD]

Keep the feedback coming guys, it's much appreciated.

[Darrell]

So it is what it is. What I am trying to do, and this is what the majority owners want as well, is to provide a little counter-viewpoint to the impression he's giving that GLD as an organization must condone what he does and says, and that's just not true. We ask him to stop, he won't, in fact his style is to "fight back harder" and piss people off more. I can say it in public and I don't care what he thinks- Randy, Dom and yea, ME, aren't digging this shit and we need to get a handle on it. GLD is about much more than RSD and if people are not coming to our facility because of what he's doing out there, (there's plenty of evidence that this is indeed the case) then we need to get a handle on it.


~Greg

So fire his dumb ass and let him pursue his DJ career. You guys hold the torch, not him. A couple weeks ago when I talked to a person at WIR they felt the same as you, Randy and Dominick. Attendance is down and only on RSD nights. People are calling and complaining and posting complaints on the internet. Like I told you before, I won't have anything to do with an event that Brian is involved in.....even if it means turning my back on a race track or race tracks. I can name at least 50 other people off the top of my head that also boycot anything he is involved with...and that is just the people that I know of. He has painted an ugly picture for both WIR and GLD with his childish bullshit, altering posts, slandering people, lies, etc. As a representative of both race tracks, he makes both race tracks look like shit. He either needs to get his head out of his ass or he needs to be let go.

[Darrell]

To Brian's credit, he is a hell of an announcer and his RSD idea was a great idea. However, alot has changed for the worse and things need to be evaluated and restructured.

[Syclone0044]

Pressuring people into illegal sports betting over the P.A. and then shaming them for not doing so all event long, physical intimidation in the pits (for money races), true lack of organization, and miles of internet drama being played out, etc.
I can't argue with any of this. :thumbsup

I think the "Chitown street racing influence" gets to be obnoxious to everyone except the few people involved in this little racing drama. The rest of us just want to race, see races, or line up with a buddy to prove who's faster. Hearing about "Juicin" (whoever that is) or "The village" gets old and I just don't give a f*ck about these people that I don't know. I guess you have to be a regular/frequent member of Chitownracing.com to be entertained by all the banter, or something.

I used to go to every RSD for years but the total lack of organization gets really annoying when you're either sitting there with your thumb up your ass for 20 minutes while NOBODY goes down the track because the announcers are off doing who-knows-what. At least let the test and tuners run but keep the lanes moving!! I think that should be Priority #1.

There used to be 3-4 hot races every RSD, mainly towards the end of the night. Lately it seems like it's just a bust at the end of the night and with all the idiots crowding the starting line, there's only a little time for the good races to go off. I have to imagine every other spectator gets annoyed by this same stuff.

As much as Tuff is getting trashed in this thread (and some of it deservedly so) I think he was one of the better announcers, at least he made some attempt to explain the racers, their cars, or the nature of the race so the average non-chitownracing.com spectator knew what they were watching. (Remember we can't see the times so the announcements are all we have to go off of...)

Oh yeah one last pet peeve that applies to any GLD event; why do the announcers make announcements right as someone is doing a burnout - nobody can hear it?

[fivonut]

So it is what it is. What I am trying to do, and this is what the majority owners want as well, is to provide a little counter-viewpoint to the impression he's giving that GLD as an organization must condone what he does and says, and that's just not true. We ask him to stop, he won't, in fact his style is to "fight back harder" and piss people off more. I can say it in public and I don't care what he thinks- Randy, Dom and yea, ME, aren't digging this shit and we need to get a handle on it. GLD is about much more than RSD and if people are not coming to our facility because of what he's doing out there, (there's plenty of evidence that this is indeed the case) then we need to get a handle on it.

Highschool DJ huh......it all makes sense now.


When a business partnership begins to affect the business as whole then it's time to dissolve that partnership. Originally, I was not a fan of RSD, you and Darrel and Dan and the James Gang talked me into giving it a try and now I think it's a great idea. The first year I thought Brian's announcing was hilarious, I even told friends they had to come down to listen to the funny ass announcer. Then I started seeing Brian picking fights with anyone and everyone he could find on the net, pissing people off. Now, I go to RSD in spite of him, it's still fun to meet up with other racers and have some friendly betting going on but I'm finding it harder and harder to support HIS event. It's time to cut bait, and fish somewhere else. Maybe the RSD idea can be continued, but any and all involvement with Brian needs to be ended ASAP!!!

[DoubleAron]

IMO and I said IMO RSDs seem like the gayest thing ever. I have never ever been to one to spectate and only ran @ 1 or 2 last year because it was late fall and I was running out of season. I also made sure I was also out of there before it got late and any of the stupid BS started.

I go to the track to run my car or to look around and check cars/combos out and see what they run. I don't see how fans can get into something when they don't know what the car they are looking @ runs. All the drama and trash they bring in, it's just not worth it to me to even go to spectate.

Last year when I went to make some passes after I 1st got my car together some guys where standing around my car asking questions and giving compliments. Well it goes on and on asking dyno#s, ETs, etc. I tell them this is only my 2nd to the track with this combo and they are still just bugging me with all these questions. After a while I figured out they were feeling my car out trying to get and idea on what it runs. When I figured it out I was just like get the heck out of here, i'm at a race track to race my car. I'm not here to play stupid kid games.

I'm just not a fan of the whole RSD thing @ all.

[1siksrt]

I have no problem with having an announcer and love rsd's. I have not been around long enough to have anything negative to say.. I like the idea of RSDs and agree it needs to be restructured

[Fast SVT]

I'll just say that everything I have heard about RSD to date makes me not want to go there. I do not show up to the strip in order to deal with a confrontational environment. I go to enjoy my car with other car enthusiasts.

GLD needs to find a way to bring excitment to their track without turning into the fast and furious.

I've mentioned before how events are run in Germany, they are weekend long events with camping, sponsors, CONTROLLED parties/BBQ's, and race events. I think GLD could do this 1-2 times a year and have it be a great success. Just remember not to turn it into the fast/furious.


GLD already has all the infrastructure, they just need to commit to allow people to camp overnight on Friday/Saturday which will likely take local government approval. With that out of the way it is a sure hit with the right advertising. Call it American Race Wars or Speed Days, but also make sure people understand that regardless of your age you are welcome to attend.

Who doesn't think this would be fun:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/fbodyeuropeorg-at-Speed_52353.htm

From a post I made in Arizona.


Pick 1 weekend in the summer, 1 in the fall, 1 in the spring and make it a Friday-Sunday event and allow the participants to camp out for the weekend. Get the local government to supply the medical and police/security support (or get employee's of SIR or volunteers to run security). Keep a fun atmosphere but kick anyone out who gets in fights or does burnouts/donuts in the pit area. Give out wrist bands to those over 21 so you can keep an eye on underage drinking. There is a lot of space out in the area so SIR could even make everyone camp on neutral terrain to avoid any legal issues (i.e. the big ass parking area by the outdoor concert place that Metallica played at).

Charge $50 (more will make it too expensive for the crowd this would target) for the entire weekend and of course charge anyone that wants to setup a concession stand a good shiny penny.

- TNT on Friday
- TNT on Saturday with some special events (nitro dragsters putting on a show or a jet car etc.... or even race a cop for 2 hours on Saturday and a car show from 10am-11am.
- Bracket Race Competition on Sunday with everything getting shutdown at 3pm.

Get sponsors to setup concession stands selling race gear, snacks, audio gear, etc....


There are ways to bring in money to GLD and still maintain a friendly environment, which is what RSD is lacking from everything I hear. Be bold, plan out what you want to do, and run with it. Just make sure you remember why people go to the track and make sure that is included in whatever plan you choose.

[Want_Notch]

Unfortunately GLD's name has been sullied by what RSD and Brian have come to stand for. To much drama, whining, bitching, and general disorder.

RSD's used to be fun, but now unless you are racing for $500 or more you are treated like a T&T'er.
On top of that no one seems to be incharge and it seems like the inmates are running the asylum..........
Then you add Brains mouth.....there are fewer and fewer people that want to deal with that.

I will continue to go to whatever GLD events I have the time and the money to go to but with a shrinking budget and growing expenses I would rather go to a fun event without all the bullshit RSD's seem to be filled with lately.

[SmokinRAM114]

i think RSD is/was a great idea. i have never been to one but the idea of getting the racing off the street and on the track i feel should be the focus. now if the bs i see online with tuff who is the promotor of RSD?? correct me if im wrong, would stop being a moron(sounds like hes no different with a mic) it would probly do better. i agree that the rsd night shouldnt be for test and tune but the harrassment that goes on needs to stop and the outcome would probly perk more spectators and more "street races." i find it pretty cool you can go from a drop/hands/or light and see no problem if someone wants to put a little money on a race. change the name to REAL STREET RACES or something.

[STANMAN]

Having been to an RSD, to be honest, I didn't even listen to the announcer, and don't remember hearing him, although numerous people told me he was babbleing about my car. When I go down there, I guess I am kind of in my own fun bubble, so if it got to the point where an announcer bursted my fun bubble I would be pissed. After reading all this stuff, I know the 1st time he rips on WI, my car, someones car I know, ect, it will burst my fun bubble:rolf. That being said, I think RSD's are a great idea, I love GLD Greg, as you know, but if this guy is driving even one more customer away than he's attracting, it's time for him to AT LEAST get off the mic. There needs to be an announcer, so get a new one, one who doesn't use insults to people who paid to put their car down the track.


BTW-I am off for the next 3 weeks (my little girl was born), and I expect to get down to the track on a Tue. or Wed. and would love for you to be there when I am so you can give me some guidance, what days work best for you???

[Got Boost]

I dont post on here often , but heres my .02 Brian isnt a promoter hes has no personality , class , or respect to the fans and the paying customers , I live in WI so what? We should be insulted for living here , he is biting the hand that feeds him so to speak ... He is like Bill Houghton of Outlaw Super Stock ...Bill as of a couple years ago had a better show then Modified Super Stock INMHO.. But hes an ass , so Im shure thats why his show isnt at the grove anymore...Im shure someone like Ron W . could promote and treat the racers better , wheather racing for a cheesburger or 5k ,,, happy racers bring in the car count , and that brings in spectators .. So I say can his ass , Hes ruining your business and what people think about your RSD...TY

[TuffEnuff]

wow... look at all these non-street racers whining about an event thats ....well.... *FOR* street racers!!!

HELLO, This just in....


RSD is a street racing event <- always has been, always will.

For those of you that like to "cheeseburger" race, thats fine....we love to have you. HOWEVER, dont whine about being treated like a T&T/weekend warrior/street racer-wannabe. THE MAIN FOCUS of RSD has (and always will be) about *REAL* street races that race for *REAL* stakes. The people we focus on are the *REAL* street racers of the midwest. These guys dont care about hotlapping and doing "fun runs". we started this event to give them a place to "do their thing"

There are PLENTY of other nights where you can line up with your best friend and race. pick one : Tues., weds., friday <- these are days all set up for you.

where the announcer will get all excited about your 12 second pass and how you made 3000 "hot laps" :loser


RSD in not about "yummy feeling" racing. Save that for the T&T days... attendance has been down for those days as well...not just RSD. :rolleyes:

It also amazes me how many "whiners" are on here posting about this....and you dont even *RACE*....and some of you dont even have a CAR. WTF? :confused

I, personally, would like to hear from *RACERS* about this....not, backstabbers with no car and like to just complain for the sake of complaining.


If you guys havent figured out how RSD works....how *I* work....then, you just dont get it and I'm not sure what I can do about it. I will admit that my usual "promoting method" was seriously derailed by a chassis shop in Stevens Point who hacked my car up and did things to it that I NEVER asked for. That has caused me a (almost) 2 year delay. It was out of my control and I have invested $20,000+ to correct what happened. I am sorry that it happened but, there was nothing I could do but, yank it out of there and work my ass off to get it put back together again.

But, times are changing.... I am at Sound Performance putting the final touches on it as I am posting this.... Once I am finally able to RACE again, I will be leading by example. *I* am looking for RACES and I am looking for *RACERS* who want to step up to the plate and race for something meaningful.... not just to get a timeslip.

Now, for clearification of what "meaningful" is...(I.e. the short staging lane type races)

1. racing for big money

2. racing for small money but, the race was well publicized on the internet

3. same as #2 but instead of money, there's a lot of pride on the line

4. just a damn good...too close to guess the outcome, DRAG RACE!



So, in a nutshell, RSD is an event that was created for a specific crowd.... street racers! <- if you havent done it, you wont understand.

For those of you who have been a part of RSD over the years, and who get it, thanks for your support. For those of you who want to "hot lap"....the track is always looking for folks like you on the test and tune days.

[badass88gt]

You need to learn to take some constructive criticism without getting pissed off and defensive. I know it is probably hard when you have a few people talking shit, but take that info and maybe make some changes for the good of the track and event.

[TuffEnuff]

You need to learn to take some constructive criticism without getting pissed off and defensive. I know it is probably hard when you have a few people talking shit, but take that info and maybe make some changes for the good of the track and event.

I am not pissed off in any way. I am defining what RSD is all about.....RACING, not whining.

I am just a couple more days away from being a *RACER* again and I cant wait. I have a LONG list of people to call out....but, if anybody here is interested, feel free to speak up. :shades

[Syclone0044]

Regardless whether you're a money racer, a cheeseburger racer, or above all, one of the hundreds of spectators in the stands, don't you think the event could benefit from better organization, more crowd control (esp. at the line), and less empty-track downtime (and I'm not talking about oildowns here)?

[badass88gt]

Hope you bring that thing to WIR on the 5th. I'm gonna do a TuffEnuff burnout just like you!

[TuffEnuff]

Hope you bring that thing to WIR on the 5th. I'm gonna do a TuffEnuff burnout just like you!


Nice. Yes, my plan is to have the car at WIR, to show those guys how to actually race. ,<- they have forgotten how to sack up.

[KARKRAFT]

I've mostly been to rsds at wir just because of my location. But either way...tuff really doesn't bother me, he insults anything that isn't rwd and breathing fire...but I like that. It makes it easier for me to get races with some of the cars that should beat my little ole neon. And I've never bet more than 50 on a race, but I don't remember an rsd that my entry fee came out of my pocket. With that said, there definitely seems to be a lot of people that have issues with him, and that is not good for business. I enjoy the events, and have never really had a complaint about how many runs I get. Although things could be run smoother. I just get there early to make a couple passes to check out the car and such...then I stroll the pits looking for one or two races for the rest of the night. I go to track rentals to hot lap\tune the car. My .02

[STANMAN]

I am a street racer, read my post. If RSD's is just for what you said, why even have spectators, they meet NONE of your criteria. I, however, meet several, so I guess I am welcome? It seems, from someone who isn't even irritated by you, or even know you, that you drive away more business than you bring in, therefore you are not a value added employee, and we know what happens to NVA employees right? So, change the tune you're singing, or join a different choir.

[scottie K]

,,,Brian for once im trying to stay out of the discusion..... but heres my 2 cents

Who ever did what to your car shouldnt be to blaim for any RSD fumbls... theres plenty of times over theres your car was outa comission and you didnt blaim anyone for blowing your motors up? so why try and put the blaim on someone else? so far you blamied furo!!!, furo dont run rsd ....Trick chassis couldnt finish your car either... you gona blaim josh to?.... what im getting at you dont see me blaiming anyone cuz im not racing this yr do ya?? so what i did was the next best use my skills to have fun!!!! ,,, nobodys hating you tuff you just took the wrong aproch to some of your promoting ....You let RSD get away from you....plain and simple... i see you and trent almost fistacuffn a few times...

I dont mind RSD's i have alota freinds there and so do others!!! listen what these people are saying!!!! listen to Dom Randy and Greg... there tryn to help you bring RSD back from the dead!!!!

Orgianize!!!!

[Fast SVT]

<----Cheeseburger racing 10 second GTO.

;)


Even though I am not a street racer I can definitely say that you have horrid marketing skills.

lol


It is very possible to run RSD and still make the cheeseburger racers happy. Namely do not be a **** to them...frankly with your attitude you are missing an opportunity to convert us cheeseburger racers over to street racers and that is bad business.

I won't go so far as to say you are NVA, that is way too personal and life changing of a statement to push on the internet.

[TuffEnuff]

I've mostly been to rsds at wir just because of my location. But either way...tuff really doesn't bother me, he insults anything that isn't rwd and breathing fire...but I like that. It makes it easier for me to get races with some of the cars that should beat my little ole neon. And I've never bet more than 50 on a race, but I don't remember an rsd that my entry fee came out of my pocket. With that said, there definitely seems to be a lot of people that have issues with him, and that is not good for business. I enjoy the events, and have never really had a complaint about how many runs I get. Although things could be run smoother. I just get there early to make a couple passes to check out the car and such...then I stroll the pits looking for one or two races for the rest of the night. I go to track rentals to hot lap\tune the car. My .02

OMG... a cheddarhead who gets it?? *clutches chest* :eek:

[TuffEnuff]

1. i see you and trent almost fistacuffn a few times...

2. I dont mind RSD's i have alota freinds there and so do others!!! listen what these people are saying!!!! listen to Dom Randy and Greg... there tryn to help you bring RSD back from the dead!!!!

Orgianize!!!!

1. Because Trent doesnt listen sometimes, he also gets overly excited about things. he's working on that. ;)

2. Dom, Randy and Greg are trying to bring back the test and tuners...which clog my event, but...I understand why they are doing it.. Now that my car will be running again, *I* will be able to bring back the STREET RACERS....because, if they cant find a race, they can always grab a lane with me. ;)

RSD attendance has been down for *ONE* reason.... nobody wants to race any more. <- partly because some of the "racers" sold their cars, while others have tried to find a race but, can never find anybody with the balls to sack up.

RSD turned into a test and tune, I will not stand for that.... ever. That is not why the event was started.

[TuffEnuff]

I am a street racer, read my post. If RSD's is just for what you said, why even have spectators, they meet NONE of your criteria. I, however, meet several, so I guess I am welcome? It seems, from someone who isn't even irritated by you, or even know you, that you drive away more business than you bring in, therefore you are not a value added employee, and we know what happens to NVA employees right? So, change the tune you're singing, or join a different choir.


LOL!!!

Spectators sit in the stand... out of my way.... if thats the criteria you meet, I hope you enjoy the show.

as far as driving away business? LOL!! <- I am seriously laughing at this part.

I'm not driving away business, I am encouraging NON-racers who want to hot lap to go to the test and tune nights. This will open the place up to real racers who understand what RSD is about.

To help support what I am saying... *I* will be leading by example by RACING at the next event.

Dr. Turd had better bring his "A" game too. ;)

[TuffEnuff]

<----Cheeseburger racing 10 second GTO.

;)


Even though I am not a street racer I can definitely say that you have horrid marketing skills.

lol


It is very possible to run RSD and still make the cheeseburger racers happy. Namely do not be a **** to them...frankly with your attitude you are missing an opportunity to convert us cheeseburger racers over to street racers and that is bad business.

I won't go so far as to say you are NVA, that is way too personal and life changing of a statement to push on the internet.

I am not mean to the "cheeseburger racers"... I just tell them like it is. Racing for cheeseburgers is fine. but, dont whine about not making the short staging lanes or getting hyped up over the PA.

You have to make a scene to BE SEEN at RSD.

Heads up/12 second cheeseburger races between "unkown" racers are not all that exciting for folks to watch. <- thats not being mean, just stating a fact.

That doesnt mean they dont get to do the race though, thats what lanes 2 and 3 are for. ;)

[Z28Envy]

LOL!!!

Spectators sit in the stand... out of my way.... if thats the criteria you meet, I hope you enjoy the show.

as far as driving away business? LOL!! <- I am seriously laughing at this part.

I'm not driving away business, I am encouraging NON-racers who want to hot lap to go to the test and tune nights. This will open the place up to real racers who understand what RSD is about.

To help support what I am saying... *I* will be leading by example by RACING at the next event.

Dr. Turd had better bring his "A" game too. ;)


But every time I have gone to RSD there are way more people there to get in 1 or 2 runs than there are actual racers! The "non-racers" as you put it are still paying the high price to get in. I understand that the street races should take pirority but why drive away the majority? The majority of the people there are the ones that come to the track and spend the $40 entry fee get a few runs in and then stand back and watch all the "RACERS" bit<h back and forth about length's and the hit. How many "BIG" money races actually go on? Very few during the night. It is mostly the cheeseburger and $50 dollar races and the TNT'ers. But you don't want that. If you only allow your big street races to go on, then how many races would actually go on during the night? Sure wouldn't be worth it for anyone to come down and watch! Isn't it still a business and don't they need to make money?

[Poncho]

so wait, my car is driven on the street, I have been known to race people, however my pockets are empty, and my car is just a cam only car, but in reality, a daily driven beast, calling it any less is BS.

Now just because my car traps under 120 in the 1/4, it's not good enough? I'd gladly start up something w/ someone, race, see who's better, shake hands and figure out how to run the car faster.

That to me is more than enough reason to also be allowed @ RSDs, honestly. I still want to run stan man, i'd have run racing to beagle or whoever @ RSDs, I'd like to race Deana...... oh nevermind, it's not a street car. Well at any rate, I think 12 second daily drivers are just as important to the scene as a 10 second car.

Someone give me a reason to come to RSD's and I'll go.

[Breecher_7]

Now that my car will be running again, *I* will be able to bring back the STREET RACERS....because, if they cant find a race, they can always grab a lane with me. ;)



How does a Blown Alcohol Car even get put in the same sentence with the word "street"? Much less, street racer....

Personally I dont even think that thing should be allowed at the RSD's. If you cant drive it to the track, its not a street car. Hell, Ill even go as far to say it can run on race fuel and Ill consider it a "street car". But if it cant drive 50 miles to and from without refueling, overheating, and or breaking down, it is not a street car. Therfore does not belong at the Real Street Drags.

Argue that logic.... :alcoholic

[Breecher_7]

I'm not driving away business, I am encouraging NON-racers who want to hot lap to go to the test and tune nights. This will open the place up to real racers who understand what RSD is about.



You mean the same 6 or so cars that are there every RSD that are continually allowed to make pass after pass as the lanes fill up with other cars that barely ever get to run? Most of the money you make on that night is via the test and tuners or people that are just there for the hell of it and they get the shaft while there is serious favoritism going to the same cars over and over.

Mabey everyone else should just go home and leave you and your crummy event there alone to fail.

The RSD's need a serious restructuring

[Breecher_7]

I am not mean to the "cheeseburger racers"... I just tell them like it is. Racing for cheeseburgers is fine. but, dont whine about not making the short staging lanes or getting hyped up over the PA.

You have to make a scene to BE SEEN at RSD.

Heads up/12 second cheeseburger races between "unkown" racers are not all that exciting for folks to watch. <- thats not being mean, just stating a fact.

That doesnt mean they dont get to do the race though, thats what lanes 2 and 3 are for. ;)


The guy with the PA needs to learn to STFU. If you havent noticed, everyone in the stands bitches that he is annoying as hell. No one gives a **** what he has to say.

And as far as the people in lanes 2 and 3. They are actually the "majority" of the people there keeping your pathetic event floating. Mabey you should show them some appreciation instead of running the same other cars over and over.

[TuffEnuff]

How does a Blown Alcohol Car even get put in the same sentence with the word "street"? Much less, street racer....

Personally I dont even think that thing should be allowed at the RSD's. If you cant drive it to the track, its not a street car. Hell, Ill even go as far to say it can run on race fuel and Ill consider it a "street car". But if it cant drive 50 miles to and from without refueling, overheating, and or breaking down, it is not a street car. Therfore does not belong at the Real Street Drags.

Argue that logic.... :alcoholic

It's the Real STREET DRAGS .... not the REAL STREET CAR DRAGS.

There are plenty of REAL STREET RACERS who race on the street with cars that are *NOT* street cars. but,not being a real street racer, you wouldnt know that...would you? ;)

[TuffEnuff]

The guy with the PA needs to learn to STFU. If you havent noticed, everyone in the stands bitches that he is annoying as hell. No one gives a **** what he has to say.

And as far as the people in lanes 2 and 3. They are actually the "majority" of the people there keeping your pathetic event floating. Mabey you should show them some appreciation instead of running the same other cars over and over.

Those *ARE* the cars we keep running over and over. I intend to bring the event back to what it used to be, a *STREET RACING EVENT*!

not a hot lap event

[BlackLightning]

RSD is nothing like it used to be and you having your car there isn't going to change anything. Someone needs to shut Trent up on the PA and put up some kind of temporary fence or some shit to keep the people off the line so we don't have to hear him complain about that on the PA all night. everyone can keep posting on the boards saying to stay off the line and on the PA but there are obviously quite a few dumb mother****ers who don't get the message and think the guy on the PA isn't talking about them because they are special. Put up some kind of rope barrier, fence, caution tape, electric wire fence or something.

At this rate there are only going to be 5-6 races the whole night. But hey at least they would be for more then cheeseburgers or 50 bucks if it's up to you right :rolleyes: Another idea is to keep the golf carts, atv's and pit bikes out of the return road, starting line, and grassy area because once one shows up then another and then the people and then trent crying on the PA. Keep the things in the pits or leave them at home. Just my 2 cents as a spectator that goes to 3-4 every year for the last 5 years.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

i see points from both sides. never going to a RSD event, I am looking from the outside in. I don;t know anyone involved personally, nor do i have any real "friends" involved, but here are my $.02:

tuff does have a point wether or not he expresses it correctly. RSD nights are RSD nights, not test and tune. his problem, and now the problem of GLD, is trying to secure that. how do you get enough support for RSD to commit the time and track to the event, without alienating or pissing people off. unfortunetly, that is the million dollar question. it does seem that the way that it is going now isn't good for anyone. from what i have read over the last few weeks, it seeems that tuff is trying to get the "racers" back, but his message seems to be getting lost due to his credibility being worth about as much as a "hillary for president" t-shirt.


the so called "cheeseburger" racers also have a valid point. they are the ones that support the track almost year round. they are the ones picking up the tab. they feel that they are the ones that are getting disrespected. in the end, they are the ones that could in the end, not only stop supporting RSD, but GLD in general. They have the majority and by the way it sounds, they are starting to get the support of the GLD staff.

either way, i hope something gets worked out. the drama that it seems to be creating isn't helping anyone, especially GLD.

[TuffEnuff]

RSD is nothing like it used to be and you having your car there isn't going to change anything. Someone needs to shut Trent up on the PA and put up some kind of temporary fence or some shit to keep the people off the line so we don't have to hear him complain about that on the PA all night. everyone can keep posting on the boards saying to stay off the line and on the PA but there are obviously quite a few dumb mother****ers who don't get the message and think the guy on the PA isn't talking about them because they are special. Put up some kind of rope barrier, fence, caution tape, electric wire fence or something.

At this rate there are only going to be 5-6 races the whole night. But hey at least they would be for more then cheeseburgers or 50 bucks if it's up to you right :rolleyes: Another idea is to keep the golf carts, atv's and pit bikes out of the return road, starting line, and grassy area because once one shows up then another and then he people and then trent crying on the PA. Keep the things in the pits or leave them at home. Just my 2 cents as a spectator that goes to 3-4 every year for the last 5 years.


There's already a new fence thats been put up to help with the crowd control.

[STANMAN]

You mean the same 6 or so cars that are there every RSD that are continually allowed to make pass after pass as the lanes fill up with other cars that barely ever get to run? Most of the money you make on that night is via the test and tuners or people that are just there for the hell of it and they get the shaft while there is serious favoritism going to the same cars over and over.

Mabey everyone else should just go home and leave you and your crummy event there alone to fail.

The RSD's need a serious restructuring

What Tony said.

[Breecher_7]

It's the Real STREET DRAGS .... not the REAL STREET CAR DRAGS.

There are plenty of REAL STREET RACERS who race on the street with cars that are *NOT* street cars. but,not being a real street racer, you wouldnt know that...would you? ;)

Do you have any idea how ******* stupid that sounds?

Lets just trailer our blown alcohol car to a desolate stretch of road, take it off the trailer, race someone, put it back on and tow it home...

Explain to me how that isnt stupid as hell?

You can keep your over priced waste of money. Id prefer a 8.xx TRUE street car that can run on pump gas and drive on the street without overheating or breaking down over a alcohol car that is absolutly worthless for anything but racing at the track.

Keep peddling your nonsense, im sure some fools actually buy it.

[Greg@GLD]

RSD is nothing like it used to be and you having your car there isn't going to change anything. Someone needs to shut Trent up on the PA and put up some kind of temporary fence or some shit to keep the people off the line so we don't have to hear him complain about that on the PA all night. everyone can keep posting on the boards saying to stay off the line and on the PA but there are obviously quite a few dumb mother****ers who don't get the message and think the guy on the PA isn't talking about them because they are special. Put up some kind of rope barrier, fence, caution tape, electric wire fence or something.

At this rate there are only going to be 5-6 races the whole night. But hey at least they would be for more then cheeseburgers or 50 bucks if it's up to you right :rolleyes: Another idea is to keep the golf carts, atv's and pit bikes out of the return road, starting line, and grassy area because once one shows up then another and then the people and then trent crying on the PA. Keep the things in the pits or leave them at home. Just my 2 cents as a spectator that goes to 3-4 every year for the last 5 years.

I'm going to accept some of the responsibility for the issue with the people on line, because I haven't been there on Fridays this year due to other obligations. We have had that problem at our Nitrous Brawls as well, but we made some changes, including "rent-a-cops" and wristbands and strict enforcement, plus just pre-emptive measures like not letting people gather in the first place. I have been at all the Nitrous Brawls this year to help out, and I used to do a lot to help out at RSD when it was on Saturdays, but when we switched it to Friday, it made things difficult for me to be there. Not trying to break my arm patting myself on the back, but Brian and Randy have both told me "When you are here, RSD goes a LOT more smoothly" and I have agreed to do the best I can to be there and that might help with SOME of the issues we're having.
As you all can see, Brian's a loose cannon rolling around the deck of the Good Ship GLD, so we're going to have to roll with the cannonballs I guess.

In discussions with him directly, we see his side of things to some degree, and he SAYS he sees ours, but time will tell.

Where we have a big difference of opinion is the "big racers" thing. We are NOT trying to "clog up his event with test and tune racers", we are trying to get Brian to understand that EVERY racer is a CUSTOMER, and the ones who just want to race a buddy for bragging rights or a burger or whatever, are just as important in the big picture as the "Big Baller Chitown Street Racer" types and we want them treated with respect. They are trying to embrace his idea of "taking it off the streets" but he's making it hard for them to do that with the way things are being presented.

The dialog is good, It really is, for everyone, and we appreciate it that several of you have taken the time to post your candid viewpoints and not just gang up on Brian to insult him. When we read these posts, it seems to me personally that people do care about RSD, in spite of Brian. We know you care about the dragstrip and we care about you << (Shameless ASS KISSING there!!!)
Every one of us involved in the operations of Great Lakes Dragaway do so because we love the sport and we are proud of the track's place in Drag Racing History and we want very much to see Broadway Bob's Legacy continue well into the future. As I said before, it goes way beyond Real Street Drags.

[TuffEnuff]

Do you have any idea how ******* stupid that sounds?

Lets just trailer our blown alcohol car to a desolate stretch of road, take it off the trailer, race someone, put it back on and tow it home...

Explain to me how that isnt stupid as hell?

You can keep your over priced waste of money. Id prefer a 8.xx TRUE street car that can run on pump gas and drive on the street without overheating or breaking down over a alcohol car that is absolutly worthless for anything but racing at the track.

Keep peddling your nonsense, im sure some fools actually buy it.

You *OBVIOUSLY* are NOT a real street racer. There are *MANY* cars that race on the street that arent street cars.

Wake up and smell the coffee.... you are seriously not in the real world if you believe otherwise.

[TuffEnuff]

Do you know why the Harley guys dont whine about RSD??? <- because they have their own night.

NON- Street racers have more than one night a week to "fun run".

RSD is for *STREET RACERS*, not just steet cars and it's certainly not for 'hotlappers'.


Every racer might be a GLD CUSTOMER, but RSD is not designed for every CUSTOMER.... neither is harley night or Jr. Dragster events.

GLD has many specific events for specific purposes. RSD is the night for STREET RACERS!!! :)

[Greg@GLD]

Every racer might be a GLD CUSTOMER, but RSD is not designed for every CUSTOMER.... neither is harley night or Jr. Dragster events.

GLD has many specific events for specific purposes. RSD is the night for STREET RACERS!!! :)

Then treat YOUR customers like CUSTOMERS!!! This is a slippery slope you are heading up sir. You're telling people not to come to your event Brian.

A wise man once said BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

[badass88gt]

Can you race ATVs at GLD?

[TURTLE]

Do you know why the Harley guys dont whine about RSD??? <- because they have their own night.

NON- Street racers have more than one night a week to "fun run".

RSD is for *STREET RACERS*, not just steet cars and it's certainly not for 'hotlappers'.


Every racer might be a GLD CUSTOMER, but RSD is not designed for every CUSTOMER.... neither is harley night or Jr. Dragster events.

GLD has many specific events for specific purposes. RSD is the night for STREET RACERS!!! :)

you keep saying street racer this street racer that.... people have many different ideas of what is or isn't... or who is or who isn't a street racer for that matter... yeah, i agree 8.xx cars are great to watch, but not everyone can afford them, and some of those people who can't afford them, still want to "street race" some punk who keeps running thier mouth thinking they're faster than the other... i see where you're coming from puff, but you've gotta look at a wider demographic than just your "category" of racers.... i may not have a single d car, but i still have the drive and desire more-so than some of the people i've ran into that do...

that being said, i've not written off going to gld because of rsd's, but i rarely go to the rsd's because when i go, i get treated like poop... not a racer, just another FWD clown... hate to say it, but i may be FWD, but i ain't no clown...

if anyone wants to chat about anything i've said, PM me... i don't want to clutter up the thread too much.

[juicedimpss]

some of the problem here is the fact that the announcers are not part of bcm,and know nobody from here. MOST of the racers that are acknowledged at rsd are from chitownracing and only a few of the guys from this site. many of the people here do not know or care about the guys they dont know.
there is plenty of shit talking around here,and a few "groups" of different racers that you could say are rivals.*I* think if these racers were played as heavily as it is on the other site,it would bring more excitement to this group.

Most of you already know I (we....clocks off racing) do as much as possible to try to promote RSD and everything it really does for us. I know Brian comes on as a POS sometimes and often walks the thin line with shit talk,but one you actually race there as a "street racer" you soon realize it is really all down to having a good time and having COMPETITION to race against and a reason to do that.
Those who have time to bad talk RSD and don't come out to race or spectate should come watch or race before making uneducated opinions.Those who do should be letting the promoters what would make the event more enjoyable for everyone.
my .02
Ron

[70 cutlass 442]

you know, as much as big of a douche that puffy can be, hes 100% correct, and worded it very well

[TuffEnuff]

you know, as much as big of a douche that puffy can be, hes 100% correct, and worded it very well

I get lucky once in a while. ;)

[TuffEnuff]

some of the problem here is the fact that the announcers are not part of bcm,and know nobody from here. MOST of the racers that are acknowledged at rsd are from chitownracing and only a few of the guys from this site. many of the people here do not know or care about the guys they dont know.
there is plenty of shit talking around here,and a few "groups" of different racers that you could say are rivals.*I* think if these racers were played as heavily as it is on the other site,it would bring more excitement to this group.

Most of you already know I (we....clocks off racing) do as much as possible to try to promote RSD and everything it really does for us. I know Brian comes on as a POS sometimes and often walks the thin line with shit talk,but one you actually race there as a "street racer" you soon realize it is really all down to having a good time and having COMPETITION to race against and a reason to do that.
Those who have time to bad talk RSD and don't come out to race or spectate should come watch or race before making uneducated opinions.Those who do should be letting the promoters what would make the event more enjoyable for everyone.
my .02
Ron

Agreed. The first step to being considered a *REAL* RSD racer is to make yourself known.... posting on chitown (looking for races) or the RSD website is a great way to do that.

*KNOWN* racers get the red carpet treatment.... if thats what you want, get *KNOWN*

Start here:

www.realstreetdrags.net

:thumbsup

[Syclone0044]

What if you have a 12 or 11 or 10 second car, and you want to race your buddy on the street to settle a match or prove who's faster. And you considered settling it at RSD to be "safe" since you claim that's one of the purposes of RSD (to get street races off the street).

Should you pay extra to race at RSD and risk getting second or third-class treatment? Go on a Test and Tune night and line up behind each other in the lanes and ask the director to race us together? Just do it on the street and be done with it? Help us out here. You seem determined to make the impression that anyone not loud & boisterous and/or not racing for $500+ should stay home.

[Irish]

I tell you what, I can see keeping the "slower cars" (mine included) off the track IF you can get more "fast" cars to show up and race.... consistently one race, after another. I would be a loyal spectator until I felt I was fast enough to be a competitive participant. I also know that I could bring at least 5 more paying customers to spectate as well. The down time between races sucks for everyone. I know that watching other fast cars helps motivate me to continue working on my project. Just my .02.

[nismodave]

Agreed. The first step to being considered a *REAL* RSD racer is to make yourself known.... posting on chitown (looking for races) or the RSD website is a great way to do that.

*KNOWN* racers get the red carpet treatment.... if thats what you want, get *KNOWN*


So, if Im a person who comes to RSD for the first time, and gets treated as a ''Lesser" racer, thats supposed to encourage me to continue coming to RSD? And I should think "HMMM, maybe if i come back and race more, I will get treated better."

I just dont see most thinking that way.

What would make me want to come back, is being treated as an equal. :)

[TuffEnuff]

What if you have a 12 or 11 or 10 second car, and you want to race your buddy on the street to settle a match or prove who's faster. And you considered settling it at RSD to be "safe" since you claim that's one of the purposes of RSD (to get street races off the street).

Should you pay extra to race at RSD and risk getting second or third-class treatment? Go on a Test and Tune night and line up behind each other in the lanes and ask the director to race us together? Just do it on the street and be done with it? Help us out here. You seem determined to make the impression that anyone not loud & boisterous and/or not racing for $500+ should stay home.


I dont care if you race for free.... just make it *KNOWN* ahead of time and we'll get you into short staging.

Getting yourself "known" is the best way to gain credibility with the other street racers.


start here: www.realstreetdrags.net

[badass88gt]

I'm well-known at WIR, but I'm a nobody at GLD. What should I do?

[TuffEnuff]

So, if Im a person who comes to RSD for the first time, and gets treated as a ''Lesser" racer, thats supposed to encourage me to continue coming to RSD? And I should think "HMMM, maybe if i come back and race more, I will get treated better."

I just dont see most thinking that way.

What would make me want to come back, is being treated as an equal. :)


Nobody is treated as a "lesser" racer... priority changes as the night goes on

Gates open at 2

Racing starts: 3-ish = for time runs and a chance for "HOT LAPPERS" to make rounds

6-ish = we start making announcements for street racers to get their crap together...

8-ish = priority changes to "short staging" races, fast cars and lanes 2 and 3 street races.

10:30-ish until the end = High profile races. Usually, we have enough of these to run the last hour of the event.

[KARKRAFT]

OMG... a cheddarhead who gets it?? *clutches chest* :eek:

I'm not saying that I wouldn't mind a little less of the bs...but you are right, I've never gone to a junior drags night, or a harley night...but the question you have to ask yourself is do you have enough 'street racers' to make it worth alienating some of the tnters.

And you need to remember, you're looking to bring in 'street racers' a large majority of 'street racers' are in the 10-13 second range. And as exciting as it is to watch the 7,8,9 second cars, they're paying the same entry fee. I agree with your concept, but I think you do need to rethink your aproach. Or get somebody with better people skills to help you promote. There's nothing wrong with hype and a little trash talking. I get in on that to. Its part of the hobby. In another thread I was givin it to you even though I drive a 153ci dodge. But when you take it outside of the hobby itself it gets out of hand. I.e. Insulting where people are from and so on. Either way, I'm hoping to be at the next WIR and GLD rsd...if your pile of shat is there I'll grab a lane...if I can do a half track fly by. :)

[70 cutlass 442]

/\/\ i think there are a lot more single digit cars out there on the street then you think, spends a few mins on chitownraicng, youll see what i mean..... but from the sounds of it he could care less what ET bracket your in, if two 13 second cars want to grudge race, then RSD is where you do it, but you dont go there to test and tune peroid.

[KARKRAFT]

I know there are a lot of single digit street cars, but I'm saying a larger group is the 10-13 second group.

And I totally agree. It shouldn't matter how fast you are, if you're racing for cash or pride, rsd is supose to be your event so all should be treated equal. And I have no problems with no tnting on an rsd night. I just like to get in a run or 2 early in the night to make sure the car is doing what its supose to before I gamble with it.

[TuffEnuff]

I'm well-known at WIR, but I'm a nobody at GLD. What should I do?

Open a tint shop and tell people that you do chassis work?

LOL!!! :rolf

[TuffEnuff]

/\/\ i think there are a lot more single digit cars out there on the street then you think, spends a few mins on chitownraicng, youll see what i mean..... but from the sounds of it he could care less what ET bracket your in, if two 13 second cars want to grudge race, then RSD is where you do it, but you dont go there to test and tune peroid.

Exactly!!! ....and dont whine about not getting "laps" in.... REAL street races take more time to run than T&T stuff does.

[TuffEnuff]

I know there are a lot of single digit street cars, but I'm saying a larger group is the 10-13 second group.

And I totally agree. It shouldn't matter how fast you are, if you're racing for cash or pride, rsd is supose to be your event so all should be treated equal. And I have no problems with no tnting on an rsd night. I just like to get in a run or 2 early in the night to make sure the car is doing what its supose to before I gamble with it.

:eek:

wow.. you really do get it... *clutches chest again* :wow

[TuffEnuff]

I'm not saying that I wouldn't mind a little less of the bs...but you are right, I've never gone to a junior drags night, or a harley night...but the question you have to ask yourself is do you have enough 'street racers' to make it worth alienating some of the tnters.

And you need to remember, you're looking to bring in 'street racers' a large majority of 'street racers' are in the 10-13 second range. And as exciting as it is to watch the 7,8,9 second cars, they're paying the same entry fee. I agree with your concept, but I think you do need to rethink your aproach. Or get somebody with better people skills to help you promote. There's nothing wrong with hype and a little trash talking. I get in on that to. Its part of the hobby. In another thread I was givin it to you even though I drive a 153ci dodge. But when you take it outside of the hobby itself it gets out of hand. I.e. Insulting where people are from and so on. Either way, I'm hoping to be at the next WIR and GLD rsd...if your pile of shat is there I'll grab a lane...if I can do a half track fly by. :)

I dont "insult" people... I bust their balls. There's a big difference.

Besides, I live by the code :"Dont talk sh*t if you cant take sh*t" ...and nobody takes more sh*t than me, when it comes to RSD. ;)

[KARKRAFT]

Open a tint shop and tell people that you do chassis work?

LOL!!! :rolf

My neon has a gorgeous cage built by a certain 'tint shop' and I love it. And for that matter so does everybody that's seen it. I get pms on other forums all the time from other neon owners asking how I got a cage like that, because their local chassis shop says those bends and welds can't be made.

[TuffEnuff]

I got a cage like that, because their local chassis shop says those bends and welds can't be made.

I believe they say "They shouldnt be made" No offence to you, but, I have talked with several chassis guys who question the "NHRA/IHRA legality" of that cage. But, you might not have to worry because it's only a cage and not a chassis like I had built. He does ok cages, but home built cages are way easier than Pro Chassis's are. Hence, the reason I have yet to see a FULL chassis car come out of that shop. I think "the owner" learned that lesson the hard way.... and on many levels too.


From what I have been told, his business ethics have improved slightly since I exposed his issues.

I'm sure he thinks twice before lying to people and making promises he cant keep.


you're welcome. ;)

[KARKRAFT]

I dont "insult" people... I bust their balls. There's a big difference.

Besides, I live by the code :"Dont talk sh*t if you cant take sh*t" ...and nobody takes more sh*t than me, when it comes to RSD. ;)


The thing is, not everybody has thick skin, and you are supose to be drawing customers in. I don't mind getting my balls busted about driving a neon because I usually get the last laugh. Last year at WIR, I was the first race after an hour oil cleanup so EVERYBODY was watching...I happened to be racing a supercharged viper. I have video footage of it, and in the background people are laughing, and it caught a 'what is this kid thinking?' From somebody nearby. Even the announcer made a smartass remark about it...a neon racing a viper. I got the last laugh by puttin 4-5 cars on him and hitting the brakes early. THAT is what I love about my neon and the rsd events. Although I couldn't score any more races with the honda crowd that night. :(

[KARKRAFT]

I believe they say "They shouldnt be made" No offence to you, but, I have talked with several chassis guys who question the "NHRA/IHRA legality" of that cage. But, you might not have to worry because it's only a cage and not a chassis like I had built. He does ok cages, but home built cages are way easier than Pro Chassis's are. Hence, the reason I have yet to see a FULL chassis car come out of that shop. I think "the owner" learned that lesson the hard way.... and on many levels too.


From what I have been told, his business ethics have improved slightly since I exposed his issues.

I'm sure he thinks twice before lying to people and making promises he cant keep.


you're welcome. ;)

So, you're saying you know my car? ;) does that mean I get the red carpet next rsd?
I'm not an nhra certified chassis inspector...but from what I can read in the rulebook, I'll be fine. And I don't know or care to know about what went wrong between you two, but I have had nothing but great customer service from that shop. I'm not tryin to convince you of anything, just putting it out there that your case may be the exception at that shop. But this thread isn't about that, so I'll leave it at that.

[fivonut]

You start off with this BS.....


For those of you that like to "cheeseburger" race, thats fine....we love to have you. HOWEVER, dont whine about being treated like a T&T/weekend warrior/street racer-wannabe. THE MAIN FOCUS of RSD has (and always will be) about *REAL* street races that race for *REAL* stakes. The people we focus on are the *REAL* street racers of the midwest. These guys dont care about hotlapping and doing "fun runs". we started this event to give them a place to "do their thing"

Now, for clearification of what "meaningful" is...(I.e. the short staging lane type races)

1. racing for big money

2. racing for small money but, the race was well publicized on the internet

3. same as #2 but instead of money, there's a lot of pride on the line

4. just a damn good...too close to guess the outcome, DRAG RACE!

For those of you who have been a part of RSD over the years, and who get it, thanks for your support. For those of you who want to "hot lap"....the track is always looking for folks like you on the test and tune days.


I am not mean to the "cheeseburger racers"... I just tell them like it is. Racing for cheeseburgers is fine. but, dont whine about not making the short staging lanes or getting hyped up over the PA.

You have to make a scene to BE SEEN at RSD.

Heads up/12 second cheeseburger races between "unkown" racers are not all that exciting for folks to watch. <- thats not being mean, just stating a fact.

That doesnt mean they dont get to do the race though, thats what lanes 2 and 3 are for. ;)



Do you know why the Harley guys dont whine about RSD??? <- because they have their own night.

NON- Street racers have more than one night a week to "fun run".

RSD is for *STREET RACERS*, not just steet cars and it's certainly not for 'hotlappers'.


Every racer might be a GLD CUSTOMER, but RSD is not designed for every CUSTOMER.... neither is harley night or Jr. Dragster events.

GLD has many specific events for specific purposes. RSD is the night for STREET RACERS!!! :)

Then when Greg give you a little swat on the hand....


Then treat YOUR customers like CUSTOMERS!!! This is a slippery slope you are heading up sir. You're telling people not to come to your event Brian.

A wise man once said BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

you come back with the "diplomatic" shit. Wait a minute.... Didn't you say in another thread diplomacy is for backstabbing cheddar heads???


I dont care if you race for free.... just make it *KNOWN* ahead of time and we'll get you into short staging.

Getting yourself "known" is the best way to gain credibility with the other street racers.


start here: www.realstreetdrags.net


Nobody is treated as a "lesser" racer...

Or are they....


For those of you that like to "cheeseburger" race, thats fine....we love to have you. HOWEVER, dont whine about being treated like a T&T/weekend warrior/street racer-wannabe.


Heads up/12 second cheeseburger races between "unkown" racers are not all that exciting for folks to watch. <- thats not being mean, just stating a fact.

That doesnt mean they dont get to do the race though, thats what lanes 2 and 3 are for. ;)

So let me get this straight, You either have to:

A. have a very fast car... OR

B. put up with your bullshit on chitown and rsd forums, but "get known"

Please show me where ANY incentive is for ANYBODY who races on the street, to support your event. If all you want to do is cater to the Chitown bigdogs then take your dog and pony show back to Chitown. I used to race on the streets (I won't say street race because I never mortgaged my house to do it, like you REAL street racers do), now please give me one good reason why I should take it off the streets and bring it to your event. I don't give a shit about you or the people on Chitown or people on RSD forums, I want to get together with friends and have a few friendly grudge matches. TNT doesn't cater to us, according to you neither does RSD (how oxymoronic). You have got to be one of the most useless "businessmen" I've ever met. Person after person has told you that they would rather line up friendly competitions for little cash and you have basically told em to go eat a ****. I was taught that you focus on the top 80% of your revenue not treat it like shit and tell it to take a hike. I'm going to sit here and point and laugh as you single-handedly run this show into the ground.

Hey Greg, when RSD breathes it's last breath (probably in the next year or so) I have an idea for an event that will attract as many if not more "wannabe racers" as RSD has, and they'd all trip over themselves to pay more than they pay for RSD now. :devil:devil:devil

[fivonut]

you know, as much as big of a douche that puffy can be, hes 100% correct, and worded it very well

Care to share with us just exactly how Tuff's taint tastes???

[KARKRAFT]

Care to share with us just exactly how Tuff's taint tastes???

Gross.

[Darrell]

I believe they say "They shouldnt be made" No offence to you, but, I have talked with several chassis guys who question the "NHRA/IHRA legality" of that cage. But, you might not have to worry because it's only a cage and not a chassis like I had built. He does ok cages, but home built cages are way easier than Pro Chassis's are. Hence, the reason I have yet to see a FULL chassis car come out of that shop. I think "the owner" learned that lesson the hard way.... and on many levels too.


From what I have been told, his business ethics have improved slightly since I exposed his issues.

I'm sure he thinks twice before lying to people and making promises he cant keep.


you're welcome. ;)


Why don't you tell us what is wrong with his cage and why there are any legality issues.

As far as a full chassis car coming out of that shop goes, how the hell would you know what comes out of that shop. If you "have never seen a full chassis car come out of that shop" you need to investigate more. You won't have to look far.

Bottom line, you shot your mouth off and Harold didn't tolerate it and you got your car shoved up your ass. Be proud though, you have a blown alcohol 25.x chassis that runs blistering 8 second ETs :rolf

[badass88gt]

WTF is wrong with WSD Darnell?

[TuffEnuff]

Why don't you tell us what is wrong with his cage and why there are any legality issues.

As far as a full chassis car coming out of that shop goes, how the hell would you know what comes out of that shop. If you "have never seen a full chassis car come out of that shop" you need to investigate more. You won't have to look far.

Bottom line, you shot your mouth off and Harold didn't tolerate it and you got your car shoved up your ass. Be proud though, you have a blown alcohol 25.x chassis that runs blistering 8 second ETs :rolf

bottom line is... He *LIED* for WEEKS about work he performed and *NEVER* did.

I'd say it to his face, in front of everybody on here too!

a blistering 8's is still faster than you ever went....Care to grab a lane Mr. "aint got no car" ?

whoooo whooo!!! I forgot, you only race trains...

[TuffEnuff]

You start off with this BS.....








Then when Greg give you a little swat on the hand....



you come back with the "diplomatic" shit. Wait a minute.... Didn't you say in another thread diplomacy is for backstabbing cheddar heads???





Or are they....





So let me get this straight, You either have to:

A. have a very fast car... OR

B. put up with your bullshit on chitown and rsd forums, but "get known"

Please show me where ANY incentive is for ANYBODY who races on the street, to support your event. If all you want to do is cater to the Chitown bigdogs then take your dog and pony show back to Chitown. I used to race on the streets (I won't say street race because I never mortgaged my house to do it, like you REAL street racers do), now please give me one good reason why I should take it off the streets and bring it to your event. I don't give a shit about you or the people on Chitown or people on RSD forums, I want to get together with friends and have a few friendly grudge matches. TNT doesn't cater to us, according to you neither does RSD (how oxymoronic). You have got to be one of the most useless "businessmen" I've ever met. Person after person has told you that they would rather line up friendly competitions for little cash and you have basically told em to go eat a ****. I was taught that you focus on the top 80% of your revenue not treat it like shit and tell it to take a hike. I'm going to sit here and point and laugh as you single-handedly run this show into the ground.

Hey Greg, when RSD breathes it's last breath (probably in the next year or so) I have an idea for an event that will attract as many if not more "wannabe racers" as RSD has, and they'd all trip over themselves to pay more than they pay for RSD now. :devil:devil:devil

ohhhhh.... you "raced on the street" huh? LOL!!!

why dont you grab a lane at the next RSD and show me how a BIIIIIIG baller like you get's it done.... and dont cry about how you only have a "street *sniff* car" or how we have to drive it there either, I'm looking for a drag race. I dont care how you get it there, what kind of gas you run, what kind of car you have....or anything else besides the outcome between the starting line and the finish line.

sack up sally, you just got yourself in to the "short staging lanes". we'll do this race for $500 (only because I doubt you can come up with more) and I'll use this race as a warm up before the race with Dr. Turd.

See ya there mr. fivonutswinger

[KARKRAFT]

Seriously, can I get the 1/8th prepped a little? I'd do that race if I knew your car is going to go straight.

[TuffEnuff]

Seriously, can I get the 1/8th prepped a little? I'd do that race if I knew your car is going to go straight.

No problem. you have nothing to worry about....my *CHASSIS* was built at Trick Chassis. not a tint shop.

I have no worries that it will go straight....and fast, real fast. :thumbsup

[KARKRAFT]

No problem. you have nothing to worry about....my *CHASSIS* was built at Trick Chassis. not a tint shop.

I have no worries that it will go straight....and fast, real fast. :thumbsup

Well, if I hook that far out it would probably close...you have more than twice the motor, more than twice the hp, and your power is going to the correct wheels...we probably weigh about the same. You should cover twice the distance in about the same time. Its only a neon.

[TuffEnuff]

Well, if I hook that far out it would probably close...you have more than twice the motor, more than twice the hp, and your power is going to the correct wheels...we probably weigh about the same. You should cover twice the distance in about the same time. Its only a neon.


try not to get sucked into the wind vortex behind my car... and I'll try not to cover your windshield with my chutes.

:devil

[KARKRAFT]

try not to get sucked into the wind vortex behind my car... and I'll try not to cover your windshield with my chutes.

:devil


Oh I'm sure you'll go by me, just I think it'd be after the stripe. That is if I can stick it that far out.

[badass88gt]

I bet I'm pretty close to that Neon, unfortunately I cant race him because I'm a safe racer and if I actually lost to a Neon I would have to shoot myself in the face.

[KARKRAFT]

I bet I'm pretty close to that Neon, unfortunately I cant race him because I'm a safe racer and if I actually lost to a Neon I would have to shoot myself in the face.

If I wasn't so lazy I'd make that my sig right now! Lol and yes, you and I are close...

[badass88gt]

It'll still be here tomorrow. lol

[KARKRAFT]

Done.

[badass88gt]

lol, very nice.

Maybe I'll have to look for you at WIR and roll the dice.

Youre not the Uber Neon we were talking about a couple years ago on WSD are you?

[Z28Envy]

I hope this isn't you!:rolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quTeXhdfoA4

[scottie K]

hey tuff...


who is finishing your car? you did say sound and performance right? not trick chassis....correct??

just checking

[KARKRAFT]

lol, very nice.

Maybe I'll have to look for you at WIR and roll the dice.

Youre not the Uber Neon we were talking about a couple years ago on WSD are you?

I'm on WSD, but I believe the 'uber neon' is from rapids or wasau...hille was tryin to set somethin up with you and I, but we never made it to the track on the same day.

[badass88gt]

Yeah, I think its from Rapids. There are no fast cars in Wausau.

[KARKRAFT]

Yeah, I think its from Rapids. There are no fast cars in Wausau.


Yeah that one has a lot of potential, but I don't know that its made a pass in the 12s yet. I've been wanting to make it up to point on a saturday with him, but I've been pretty busy. The car only has 300 miles on it for this summer...hasn't seen much action.

[badass88gt]

Where are you from?

[KARKRAFT]

The giant metropolis of Scandinavia...

[Darrell]

bottom line is... He *LIED* for WEEKS about work he performed and *NEVER* did.

I'd say it to his face, in front of everybody on here too!

a blistering 8's is still faster than you ever went....Care to grab a lane Mr. "aint got no car" ?

whoooo whooo!!! I forgot, you only race trains...

You sound more and more stupid every time you talk....


I don't have a car? I wish that was true because then I would have 4 empty stalls in my garage instead of 4 full stalls and 2 vehicles in the driveway.

Just because I choose not to go to your struggling event doesn't mean I don't have this or that. It just means I choose not to support anything you put your hands on.

[Darrell]

The more I read all of this crap the funnier I find it. Too me this sounds like nothing more than good cop/bad cop. "He does what he wants, we can't control him", "he's a loose cannon", etc. If he can't be controlled then I guess there needs to be new management that is skilled in the fine art of baby sitting. All of this is starting to sound like GLD supports what Brian does but wants to make it sound publicly like they don't support it to try to bring back customers he has chased away but then say "we can't control him".

[TuffEnuff]

hey tuff...


who is finishing your car? you did say sound and performance right? not trick chassis....correct??

just checking


My *CAR* is finished. Trick Chassis did the chassis and the tin work = A+++ Job too! I offered Josh the chance to make the headers and fuel cell but, he couldnt sooo...

Now the car is at Sound Performance getting the headers and fuel cell (plus a few other minor things).... which we finished last night.<- in less than 2 weeks too!!!

I was amazed because it took "your boy" 4 months just to cut the thing up plus, only make ONE header that didnt fit.... and the flange was welded upside down too! LOL! Plus, 6 weeks of that was lying to me about what he got done...but, didnt!


But, what does any of it matter anymore? *I* am almost racing again.... yes, I got screwed out of 2 years of racing but, I'm back now!!!


Yeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaa!!!! I'm out of shop jail!!! Woooooooo Hoooooo! :alcoholic:banana1::banana :shades

[TuffEnuff]

The more I read all of this crap the funnier I find it. Too me this sounds like nothing more than good cop/bad cop. "He does what he wants, we can't control him", "he's a loose cannon", etc. If he can't be controlled then I guess there needs to be new management that is skilled in the fine art of baby sitting. All of this is starting to sound like GLD supports what Brian does but wants to make it sound publicly like they don't support it to try to bring back customers he has chased away but then say "we can't control him".

Backstabbing greg now... huh?

LOL!!! This should get interesting. :shades

[Poncho]

losing interest in RSDs as I type....

[TuffEnuff]

losing interest in RSDs as I type....

You just need some incentive...

how about a race? You can be #4. Or is it just easier for you to back out...instead of stepping up?

Just wondering...:rolleyes:

[Crawlin]

How many bars did Josh have to fix after you posted pics on chitown and everyone was pointing out the misinterpretations of clearly laid out pics and rules for what bars should be where? Was it just that one?

[Greg@GLD]

Backstabbing greg now... huh?

LOL!!! This should get interesting. :shades

"backstabbing" would be me getting a PM from somebody with that statement. I believe Brotha Darrell hath stabbeth me from the front...

[TuffEnuff]

"backstabbing" would be me getting a PM from somebody with that statement. I believe Brotha Darrell hath stabbeth me from the front...

Hmmm... I stand corrected. You have been stabbed in the front. but, stabbed, none the less.

Too bad, there are times when even *I* hate it when I'm right.

[TuffEnuff]

How many bars did Josh have to fix after you posted pics on chitown and everyone was pointing out the misinterpretations of clearly laid out pics and rules for what bars should be where? Was it just that one?


He didnt have to fix anything... the car wasnt finished when I posted the pictures.

It has all the bars, in the right places, now. ;)

[fivonut]

ohhhhh.... you "raced on the street" huh? LOL!!!

why dont you grab a lane at the next RSD and show me how a BIIIIIIG baller like you get's it done.... and dont cry about how you only have a "street *sniff* car" or how we have to drive it there either, I'm looking for a drag race. I dont care how you get it there, what kind of gas you run, what kind of car you have....or anything else besides the outcome between the starting line and the finish line.

sack up sally, you just got yourself in to the "short staging lanes". we'll do this race for $500 (only because I doubt you can come up with more) and I'll use this race as a warm up before the race with Dr. Turd.

See ya there mr. fivonutswinger

You have a bit of a learning disability don't ya. I've told you before gambling is not my vice. But, I already told you i'll line em up with you for 6 sec head start, just not for $500. Even at that you should have the edge, I've only run a best of 14.0 so far. Hell, if it's just a practice run what do you care what's on the line. Take a chance, show the rest of us the little guy does matter, maybe save your dog and pony show from certain failure....

[Darrell]

Backstabbing greg now... huh?

LOL!!! This should get interesting. :shades

I don't backstab anybody. I speak my mind freely and don't sugar coat anything. Some people like yourself can't handle brutal honesty though.

[Darrell]

Hmmm... I stand corrected. You have been stabbed in the front. but, stabbed, none the less.

Too bad, there are times when even *I* hate it when I'm right.

If you were stabbed by me, your wife would be coming to the morgue to identify your body. So as of this point you have not been stabbed by me in any way shape or form. :D

[SMOKDU]

I have gone to many RSD's as a Racer and a test and tuner. let me tell you my experience at the event and why I think it is failing.or could get better.

To many people that run the event are just interested in there friends as racers both with bikes and cars.
Tuff has always treated me with respect but the other guys Mark magn and people from the" village" think they own the track that night because they bring down maybe 10 cars and bikes total. 20 cars and bike total would not cut it.. than there is the fact that some racers only want to race for big money because they are afraid that if you beat them there time might get out on the Internet. they do not want to race a faster car unless it is with or for big money for this reason

this event needs a overhaul fast and I told Tuff he has Racers that can help...

the owners need to take over the track and stop letting a one sided racing team run the event......

than there are the people that never go to the event and talk shit but thats is another topic.

[TuffEnuff]

I don't backstab anybody. I speak my mind freely and don't sugar coat anything. Some people like yourself can't handle brutal honesty though.

LOL!!! Darrell, I invented Brutal honesty.... :rolf :goof

[TuffEnuff]

than there are the people that never go to the event and talk shit but thats is another topic.

welcome to the internet.

[fivonut]

ohhhhh.... you "raced on the street" huh? LOL!!!

why dont you grab a lane at the next RSD and show me how a BIIIIIIG baller like you get's it done.... and dont cry about how you only have a "street *sniff* car" or how we have to drive it there either, I'm looking for a drag race. I dont care how you get it there, what kind of gas you run, what kind of car you have....or anything else besides the outcome between the starting line and the finish line.

sack up sally, you just got yourself in to the "short staging lanes". we'll do this race for $500 (only because I doubt you can come up with more) and I'll use this race as a warm up before the race with Dr. Turd.

See ya there mr. fivonutswinger



Maybe I should take that bet.....

At the rate your going your car won't be ready anyway, then you walk the track......

[TuffEnuff]

If you were stabbed by me, your wife would be coming to the morgue to identify your body. So as of this point you have not been stabbed by me in any way shape or form. :D

There ya go... bringing a knife to a gunfight again. When will you ever learn? :rolf

[TuffEnuff]

You have a bit of a learning disability don't ya. I've told you before gambling is not my vice. But, I already told you i'll line em up with you for 6 sec head start, just not for $500. Even at that you should have the edge, I've only run a best of 14.0 so far. Hell, if it's just a practice run what do you care what's on the line. Take a chance, show the rest of us the little guy does matter, maybe save your dog and pony show from certain failure....

So, if you were there... would you be the dog or the pony? :rolf

[Darrell]

There ya go... bringing a knife to a gunfight again. When will you ever learn? :rolf

Try me.

[TuffEnuff]

To many people that run the event are just interested in there friends as racers both with bikes and cars.
Tuff has always treated me with respect but the other guys Mark magn and people from the" village" think they own the track that night because they bring down maybe 10 cars and bikes total. 20 cars and bike total would not cut it.. than there is the fact that some racers only want to race for big money because they are afraid that if you beat them there time might get out on the Internet. they do not want to race a faster car unless it is with or for big money for this reason

.

It's not about "their friends" it's about *KNOWN* street racers from the Chitown area who get their way....because the event was started for THEM.

The Chitown guys *ARE* the street racers that the event was targeted for.

Now, that doesnt mean street racers from another area arent important, but, they (like you) need to EARN the respect of the racers who are KNOWN there.

the best place to start is on www.chitownracing.com and www.rsdforums.net


aaaaannnnnnnddddddd by showing up to the event and racing these guys.

If the event is failing (which it really isnt) the way to revive it is to get people there who will actually put something on the line....and RACE! ;)

[TuffEnuff]

Try me.


LOL! :rolf

sorry, I have better things to do.... like RACING. Let me know when you're able to do that as well.... :rolf

[Greg@GLD]

Hmmm... I stand corrected. You have been stabbed in the front. but, stabbed, none the less.

Too bad, there are times when even *I* hate it when I'm right.

What were you "right" about?

You and I say some "candid" things to each other Brian... Hasn't seemed to have had a lasting effect on us being friends, has it? Why is Darrell any different?

[TuffEnuff]

What were you "right" about?

You and I say some "candid" things to each other Brian... Hasn't seemed to have had a lasting effect on us being friends, has it? Why is Darrell any different?

well, because Darrell is just that..... different. Thats what makes him , well, Darrell ;) :rolf

[Greg@GLD]

well, because Darrell is just that..... different. Thats what makes him , well, Darrell ;) :rolf

Don't side-step the question. What were you "right" about?

[Car Guy]

Once again.....

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j43/freakyfn3/VW-OhSnap.gif

[fivonut]

So, if you were there... would you be the dog or the pony? :rolf

Awwwww is the big bad STREET RACER afraid of a lil 14 sec. TNTer?????

Here's a race for ya.

$500

1. I get 8 sec. lead.
2. If your car isn't ready you walk the full length of the track.
3. You can get out of walking the track but it'll cost you $1000.

[TuffEnuff]

Don't side-step the question. What were you "right" about?

Ohhhh... I'll just do the "Wisconsin thing" and just say, no comment at all.

thus, leaving everybody to draw their own conclusions and misinterpretations ,which... in turn, adds to more drama and speculation.

God, I just love the internet. :D

[Greg@GLD]

Ohhhh... I'll just do the "Wisconsin thing" and just say, no comment at all.

thus, leaving everybody to draw their own conclusions and misinterpretations ,which... in turn, adds to more drama and speculation.

God, I just love the internet. :D

I just love when people don't have a straight answer.

This could be pretty easy. How's this-

Everyone from Wisconsin, let's do the "Wisconsin thing" and vote with our feet and our dollars. Let Brian know how you feel about all the things you've read here. There's an RSD up at WIR on September 5th. Show Brian your support like Wisconsin people do. Do the same thing at GLD on September 19th. Let's show him what a great promoter he's been and ambassador for the betterment of the business he is, and let's show him how much we all like the way he's treating the people who make his events possible.

Sound good?

Let's see who turns out to be right... :shades

[Poncho]

It's not about "their friends" it's about *KNOWN* street racers from the Chitown area who get their way....because the event was started for THEM.

The Chitown guys *ARE* the street racers that the event was targeted for.

Now, that doesnt mean street racers from another area arent important, but, they (like you) need to EARN the respect of the racers who are KNOWN there.

the best place to start is on www.chitownracing.com and www.rsdforums.net


aaaaannnnnnnddddddd by showing up to the event and racing these guys.

If the event is failing (which it really isnt) the way to revive it is to get people there who will actually put something on the line....and RACE! ;)

if it's about them, then WHY THE HELL is this even being discussed on brewcitymuscle.com?

[fivonut]

I just love when people don't have a straight answer.

This could be pretty easy. How's this-

Everyone from Wisconsin, let's do the "Wisconsin thing" and vote with our feet and our dollars. Let Brian know how you feel about all the things you've read here. There's an RSD up at WIR on September 5th. Show Brian your support like Wisconsin people do. Do the same thing at GLD on September 19th. Let's show him what a great promoter he's been and ambassador for the betterment of the business he is, and let's show him how much we all like the way he's treating the people who make his events possible.

Sound good?

Let's see who turns out to be right... :shades

I'm still trying to figure out why he brings his circus up here anyway, since there's no REAL street racers and the only REAL street racers are the Chitown group. Maybe he should keep his show in Chitown and put his efforts into getting us NONRACERS to come watch and pay admission. Or keep with the circus mentality and make it a traveling show then we can all pay admission to see the oddity of the REAL street racer, since they apparently are an endangered species.

[Crawlin]

the "real street racers" make fun of Mark's mustang and his driving, then proceed to put their nova into the wall

[Irish]

It's not about "their friends" it's about *KNOWN* street racers from the Chitown area who get their way....because the event was started for THEM.

Yeah at a FVCKING WISCONSIN TRACK!


The Chitown guys *ARE* the street racers that the event was targeted for.
Good, then let them take their sh1t down to Joliet.


Now, that doesnt mean street racers from another area arent important, but, they (like you) need to EARN the respect of the racers who are KNOWN there..

I think you have that totally backwards.... You are racing in our state, at our track, if anything YOU are the one that needs to earn some respect, god knows that you haven't shown any respect here!



If the event is failing (which it really isnt) the way to revive it is to get people there who will actually put something on the line....and RACE! ;)

Actually it is failing, you can see that in the loss of attendance and participation. You are no different than the violinist on the Titanic, right before it sank.

A Brian-less RSD for the WIN!

[TuffEnuff]

I just love when people don't have a straight answer.

This could be pretty easy. How's this-

Everyone from Wisconsin, let's do the "Wisconsin thing" and vote with our feet and our dollars. Let Brian know how you feel about all the things you've read here. There's an RSD up at WIR on September 5th. Show Brian your support like Wisconsin people do. Do the same thing at GLD on September 19th. Let's show him what a great promoter he's been and ambassador for the betterment of the business he is, and let's show him how much we all like the way he's treating the people who make his events possible.

Sound good?

Let's see who turns out to be right... :shades

Like you would say...

be careful of what you wish for. ;)

[TuffEnuff]

the "real street racers" make fun of Mark's mustang and his driving, then proceed to put their nova into the wall

Marks car almost did the same thing. He was lucky not to hit it.

[TuffEnuff]

I'm still trying to figure out why he brings his circus up here anyway, since there's no REAL street racers and the only REAL street racers are the Chitown group. Maybe he should keep his show in Chitown and put his efforts into getting us NONRACERS to come watch and pay admission. Or keep with the circus mentality and make it a traveling show then we can all pay admission to see the oddity of the REAL street racer, since they apparently are an endangered species.

Yes, it's true.... Test and tuners/ non-racers have chased away the TRUE street racers that used to draw the crowds.

But, I am working to fix that problem. So... If you guys think I'm soooooo wrong, then, who wants to step up to the plate for a race?

I already have one planned for Dr. Ford. is that it from this area? really? He's the only one with the nads to race me???


LOL!!! But, you guys are *REAL* racers huh? LOL!! :rolf

[fivonut]

So... If you guys think I'm soooooo wrong, then, who wants to step up to the plate for a race?

I already have one planned for Dr. Ford. is that it from this area? really? He's the only one with the nads to race me???


LOL!!! But, you guys are *REAL* racers huh? LOL!! :rolf


Awwwww is the big bad STREET RACER afraid of a lil 14 sec. TNTer?????

Here's a race for ya.

$500

1. I get 8 sec. lead.
2. If your car isn't ready you walk the full length of the track.
3. You can get out of walking the track but it'll cost you $1000.

[SMOKDU]

I just love when people don't have a straight answer.

This could be pretty easy. How's this-

Everyone from Wisconsin, let's do the "Wisconsin thing" and vote with our feet and our dollars. Let Brian know how you feel about all the things you've read here. There's an RSD up at WIR on September 5th. Show Brian your support like Wisconsin people do. Do the same thing at GLD on September 19th. Let's show him what a great promoter he's been and ambassador for the betterment of the business he is, and let's show him how much we all like the way he's treating the people who make his events possible.

Sound good?

Let's see who turns out to be right... :shades

This is the problem. this event was made for chi town racers and i understand that they also can have there event (even though the track is in WI), but lets be honest how many chi town racers come to just bet money and street race ? if the Event was closed down to Wi people because like tuff said it was for chi town street racers. than tell Wi and Ill people they could not test and tune that day what would be the turnout be? could the event be better if they changed the format a little (yes).... or they can just leave it for Chitown racers and leave Wisconsin's internet Boards out of it... get all the RSD shit off any Wisc Based sites than knowone here would care...

[SMOKDU]

who wants to step up to the plate for a race?

I already have one planned for Dr. Ford. is that it from this area? really? He's the only one with the nads to race me???


LOL!!! But, you guys are *REAL* racers huh? LOL!! :rolf

Tuff you need to look at the Bigger Picture. how many cars can race your car ? 1 or 2 ? you should be looking for the average racer not just cars you call out.....

[TuffEnuff]

This is the problem. this event was made for chi town racers and i understand that they also can have there event (even though the track is in WI), but lets be honest how many chi town racers come to just bet money and street race ? if the Event was closed down to Wi people because like tuff said it was for chi town street racers. than tell Wi and Ill people they could not test and tune that day what would be the turnout be? could the event be better if they changed the format a little (yes).... or they can just leave it for Chitown racers and leave Wisconsin's internet Boards out of it... get all the RSD shit off any Wisc Based sites than knowone here would care...

I never said that WI folks cant come and race at RSD. I just said the event was targeted towards the Chitown guys.

If you want to be treated like one of them....then be *KNOWN* like one of them. Which, by the way, you have been doing. <- props to you. ;)

[TuffEnuff]

Tuff you need to look at the Bigger Picture. how many cars can race your car ? 1 or 2 ? you should be looking for the average racer not just cars you call out.....

Nothing against "average racers" but, GLD has T&T nights for them.

*I* am looking for street racers. <- which is why I dont understand what all the whining is about.

Are there any street/grudge/$$$ racers here besides Dr. Ford? :confused

[Crawlin]

Marks car almost did the same thing. He was lucky not to hit it.

yet he kept it off right? ok. my point was "pot calling the kettle black"

[Irish]

TUFF = Not known for being a "racer" just known for being an azzhole that needs an azz whooping!

[TuffEnuff]

yet he kept it off right? ok. my point was "pot calling the kettle black"

Ok... but, that doesnt change the fact that those guys will run for Big $$$ and always do at every event. <- I am looking for more racers like this.

Non-racers can go to T&T on the other nights

[fivonut]

I never said that WI folks cant come and race at RSD. I just said the event was targeted towards the Chitown guys.

If you want to be treated like one of them....then be *KNOWN* like one of them. Which, by the way, you have been doing. <- props to you. ;)

Here's your answer Greg. It's obvious that a majority of attendees want to set up friendly grudge matches and RSD absolutely DOES NOT cater to them. RSD is a flop and NOT the kind of event GLD or WIR needs. Strictly in a business sense, RSD is a poor investment, it's time to look elsewhere and create an event that WILL attract customers.

[TuffEnuff]

TUFF = Not known for being a "racer" just known for being an azzhole that needs an azz whooping!
How much do you plan to put on Dr. Ford?

I would just LOVE to be spending your money. :banana1:

[Cutlass Queen]

How much do you plan to put on Dr. Ford?

I would just LOVE to be spending your money. :banana1:

I think I'll be speaking for the majority of the people on BCM when I say this...stfu already :chair:

[TuffEnuff]

Here's your answer Greg. It's obvious that a majority of attendees want to set up friendly grudge matches and RSD absolutely DOES NOT cater to them. RSD is a flop and NOT the kind of event GLD or WIR needs. Strictly in a business sense, RSD is a poor investment, it's time to look elsewhere and create an event that WILL attract customers.


RSD is not GEARED for that... we are looking for *RACERS* not T&T guys.

Why are you so upset? They have plenty of days for non racers like you to hotlap.

Why cry about RSD? RSD isnt for everybody... just like Bracket days, junior days, import days, ect.

RSD = Street racing day, not test and tune.

[TuffEnuff]

I think I'll be speaking for the majority of the people on BCM when I say this...stfu already :chair:

Um.... no.

but, since you have decided to join the discussion... hows your car running??? :shades

[Irish]

How much do you plan to put on Dr. Ford?

I would just LOVE to be spending your money. :banana1:

What you should be asking is how much money is going to take to keep me from sticking my foot in your arse!

BTW I have been to RSD more than a few times so in that sense you already have spent my money. I hope you enjoyed it because that will be the last penny you or your event get outta me.

[Cutlass Queen]

Um.... no.

but, since you have decided to join the discussion... hows your car running??? :shades

It's got a lot more miles down the track than yours :)

[Irish]

It's got a lot more miles down the track than yours :)

OWNED

[Syclone0044]

I'm still trying to figure out why he brings his circus up here anyway, since there's no REAL street racers and the only REAL street racers are the Chitown group. Maybe he should keep his show in Chitown and put his efforts into getting us NONRACERS to come watch and pay admission. Or keep with the circus mentality and make it a traveling show then we can all pay admission to see the oddity of the REAL street racer, since they apparently are an endangered species.

Best post yet!

Better watch out, or he'll call you out - his 10 man pit crew & Pro Mod alcohol race car vs you and your bolt-on daily driver. Imagine the shame you risk if you lose! :wow

[Crawlin]

Ok... but, that doesnt change the fact that those guys will run for Big $$$ and always do at every event. <- I am looking for more racers like this.

Non-racers can go to T&T on the other nights

I get that. Really I do. Those are what the spectators want to see as well.

I remember the CAMN vs Skins race. I remember BADTA vs. 80GP(r.i.p.)

all at the very end of the night.

But you are marketing to the minority. That's fine. But the majority is what allows the minority to have a venue to race at. If all those "cheeseburger racers" and all those T&T guys went away, would Randy, Marcell, etc.. still allow that event to happen? Would they still allow the track to be open for a continuous $15,000 outgoing, w/ $5000 incoming event?

Look at Chitownracing, which you've been pumping. There are maybe 15 guys on there that will REALLY race for big money. The rest of the site is filled with 11-13 second cheeseburger racers too. And half the guys that are racing for big money, are ONLY doing it because they have 10 friends pitching in $100 each. Which yes it's still a $1000 race, but who's kidding who with that "big money" talk.

There are 2-3 races at each rsd that are for over $500-1000 i would venture to say. That's TOPS

If I were a business owner, I would cater and try to promote to those that are in that $100-300 range that show up and race more often at that level, than the one timers at $1000. Cause those 100-300 guys are the ones that may venture into the $500 range or higher once they get the taste of a couple wins here and there and the better understanding of how things work.

How many REAL $ racers did haider or timmy do that last event? 1 each maybe? And they do maybe 2-3 each RSD normally? Whereas we had someone there doing 6-7 $50-100 races. Who is "big time"? The guy talking shit on chitown? Yet who's the real racer? The guy doing any race because he LOVES the street race atmosphere.

Being told I'm nothing. Being told I don't count. Being called names. Being called sackless. That doesn't do shit. It doesn't make me think, "oh yeah i wanna prove this guy wrong." I'm way past that immaturity level. I just frankly do not care what someone will think of me or my car. I have WAAAAY too many friends, to worry about one more. I have waaaay too much other shit in my life to worry about what someone on the opposite side of a computer thinks.

I am by no means KNOCKING anyone, I'm just offering constructive criticism. The theory behing the event is great. That article in GMHTP was great(way back). The Fox news article about the REASON why this event exists was great. Again, if you went to strats, what would you see more of? The $1000 races or the $100-200 races? Those are the majority. And those people, especially in today's economy and gas prices, are more willing to race for $100 than $500. Back when gas was under $2/gal, and nitrous was 3.00/lb, it was all fine and dandy. But now, things have changed a TON. And we should be changing with that demographic as the "newbies" are rolling into this scene. But you'll put those newbies off when you tell them they are nothing without a $1000 race. They'll just end up lining up in the test and tune lines racing their buddy for free for the hell of it, and then you'll never see them again when they realize they could get off 5x as many passes during a regular day and would have paid less to get in.

It's a round robin effect which will in turn, get this event wiped away.

[SMOKDU]

RSD is not GEARED for that... we are looking for *RACERS* not T&T guys.

Why are you so upset? They have plenty of days for non racers like you to hotlap.

Why cry about RSD? RSD isnt for everybody... just like Bracket days, junior days, import days, ect.

RSD = Street racing day, not test and tune.


1. looking for Racers....lets pick this apart. 1. there are not a lot of racers that race at RSD on this site so how do you think you can attract the average racers because the top 1/4 times on this site are posted its not a secret what they run so why would they come to race at RSD ? and what incentive to these guys have to race chi town ? they did have an event some yrs ago for bcm if I remember right and they did come to the track so there is something missing from the picture. lets face it they do not street race in Wisconsin for money and that is why RSD works better for Chi town. but how many racers really do you have from Chi town total ? be honest do you need more racers that is the bottom line. yes or no ?

[TuffEnuff]

It's got a lot more miles down the track than yours :)

I highly doubt that... I've only been down for 2 years. I've been racing for 20. almost as long as you have been alive. ;)

[BOSS LX]

1. looking for Racers....lets pick this apart. 1. there are not a lot of racers that race at RSD on this site so how do you think you can attract the average racers because the top 1/4 times on this site are posted its not a secret what they run so why would they come to race at RSD ? and what incentive to these guys have to race chi town ? they did have an event some yrs ago for bcm if I remember right and they did come to the track so there is something missing from the picture. lets face it they do not street race in Wisconsin for money and that is why RSD works better for Chi town. but how many racers really do you have from Chi town total ? be honest do you need more racers that is the bottom line. yes or no ?

Yellow F2 vert's are gay.

[FourEyedFord]

Yellow F2 vert's are gay.

I strongly agree!

[SmokinRAM114]

Yellow F2 vert's are gay.

:stare should u be working or something:rolf

[SMOKDU]

Yellow F2 vert's are gay.

i have seen this car down at RSD. i agree i think he could have picked a better car to go that fast in...gay

[BOSS LX]

:stare should u be working or something:rolf

Hotel wireless for the win.:rolf

[BOSS LX]

i have seen this car down at RSD. i agree i think he could have picked a better car to go that fast in...gay

:rolf

[Cutlass Queen]

I highly doubt that... I've only been down for 2 years. I've been racing for 20. almost as long as you have been alive. ;)

And you've been running your mouth for the last 2 years why?

[scaleracer]

All I have to say is RSD is a great idea to get people off the streets (most people don't have cars under 12 seconds btw) I enjoy going to them.. But Brian you don't make sense in the past 12 pages of crap.. I have to say Brian if it was just "legit" street racers there and noone else there wouldn't be a big crowd.. Try to get people to come and change things to make it better.. And I agree with others a blown alcohol car is not a "street racing car" and it's not my car or anything but I would rather have a True Street car or something more like that so I can drive it on the street.. O and since you like bracket racers so much your car is getting closer to being one (just a track car with huge tires and looks rediculous) I could go on but I'll leave it at that..

[scaleracer]

And you've been running your mouth for the last 2 years why?

Tuff you can't say your car has been down the track more than hers..
It's completely changed you don't even have the same chassis or anything it's basically your body on a new everything else.. You might as well get a fiberglass body for it right away :goof

[KARKRAFT]

I get that. Really I do. Those are what the spectators want to see as well.

I remember the CAMN vs Skins race. I remember BADTA vs. 80GP(r.i.p.)

all at the very end of the night.

But you are marketing to the minority. That's fine. But the majority is what allows the minority to have a venue to race at. If all those "cheeseburger racers" and all those T&T guys went away, would Randy, Marcell, etc.. still allow that event to happen? Would they still allow the track to be open for a continuous $15,000 outgoing, w/ $5000 incoming event?

Look at Chitownracing, which you've been pumping. There are maybe 15 guys on there that will REALLY race for big money. The rest of the site is filled with 11-13 second cheeseburger racers too. And half the guys that are racing for big money, are ONLY doing it because they have 10 friends pitching in $100 each. Which yes it's still a $1000 race, but who's kidding who with that "big money" talk.

There are 2-3 races at each rsd that are for over $500-1000 i would venture to say. That's TOPS

If I were a business owner, I would cater and try to promote to those that are in that $100-300 range that show up and race more often at that level, than the one timers at $1000. Cause those 100-300 guys are the ones that may venture into the $500 range or higher once they get the taste of a couple wins here and there and the better understanding of how things work.

How many REAL $ racers did haider or timmy do that last event? 1 each maybe? And they do maybe 2-3 each RSD normally? Whereas we had someone there doing 6-7 $50-100 races. Who is "big time"? The guy talking shit on chitown? Yet who's the real racer? The guy doing any race because he LOVES the street race atmosphere.

Being told I'm nothing. Being told I don't count. Being called names. Being called sackless. That doesn't do shit. It doesn't make me think, "oh yeah i wanna prove this guy wrong." I'm way past that immaturity level. I just frankly do not care what someone will think of me or my car. I have WAAAAY too many friends, to worry about one more. I have waaaay too much other shit in my life to worry about what someone on the opposite side of a computer thinks.

I am by no means KNOCKING anyone, I'm just offering constructive criticism. The theory behing the event is great. That article in GMHTP was great(way back). The Fox news article about the REASON why this event exists was great. Again, if you went to strats, what would you see more of? The $1000 races or the $100-200 races? Those are the majority. And those people, especially in today's economy and gas prices, are more willing to race for $100 than $500. Back when gas was under $2/gal, and nitrous was 3.00/lb, it was all fine and dandy. But now, things have changed a TON. And we should be changing with that demographic as the "newbies" are rolling into this scene. But you'll put those newbies off when you tell them they are nothing without a $1000 race. They'll just end up lining up in the test and tune lines racing their buddy for free for the hell of it, and then you'll never see them again when they realize they could get off 5x as many passes during a regular day and would have paid less to get in.

It's a round robin effect which will in turn, get this event wiped away.


Good point. I usually take 20 or 50 to bet with and that's it. But once I win one, I'll bet that on the next one.

[ND4SPD]

Being told I'm nothing. Being told I don't count. Being called names. Being called sackless. That doesn't do shit. It doesn't make me think, "oh yeah i wanna prove this guy wrong." I'm way past that immaturity level. I just frankly do not care what someone will think of me or my car. I have WAAAAY too many friends, to worry about one more. I have waaaay too much other shit in my life to worry about what someone on the opposite side of a computer thinks.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[WhatsADSM]

I think way back on one of the earlier pages Greg specifically said Brain won't get it no matter what anyone tells him.

And honestly that looks like what is going on here. Arguing with Tuff is like arguing with a brick wall, or a broken record. He either says the same thing ("I am right, I have a true street car, and go get your street cred at xxxxx.com"), or says nothing at all.

Truth be told I have never been to an RSD and was planning on going, but this thread really does make me second guess that. I quite simply don't have hundreds of dollars to drop on a single bet, I don't troll around the chitownracing forums, and I don't have cool cool street cred with Tuff. So I guess that means I would be a second rate "wannabe" street racer that gets treated like a TNTer.

And Tuff this of course leads me to my point which is:

I represent the MAJORITY of the people funding your event. The people that the event is supposedly targeted after. Make fun of us all you want, but people like me are the ones funding your event. We are the ones that drive our cars more than just up and down the track, we live real lives with real mortgages and priorities that don't dictate dropping $1000 on a race, and we just want to have a good time and race our buddy safely by "keeping it off the street". Unlike you, we don't have <8 second blown alcohol "street" *cough*RACE*cough* cars that are down for years at a time, live our lives a quarter mile at a time :rolf, and don't have a 10 foot e-Penis that likes to stir up the pot online. Your business plan for RSD honestly sucks, which is likely why attendance is dropping... You are biting the hand the feeds you.


And now a question to Greg:
Is it possible to just leave Tuff to his chitown-who-gives-a-shit event, or rename it Chitownracing forums day or something. Then have another day dedicated to more of the people that would otherwise race their 10-13 second cars on the street but want to do it on the track for a cheeseburger? I.e. what the majority of the people want RSD to be?

[T-Bag]

I'd actually want to go to RSD if it was ran the way it was supposed to....a place to have street races on track...legally. Not a penis size comparison and 20 guys from chicago throwing in $100 in some huge money race. It has strayed WAY away from true street racing.

I would LOVE to go to RSD if it was what its name says it is... REAL STREET DRAGS. I'm sure the majority of people would have to agree with me on this one. Does this mean the big money races have to go away? No...but it would be nice to call someone out for a race that doesn't consist of betting a shit load of money...go to the track...pay a fair price (which RSD is not a fair price in any ways hape or form), and race. While you're down there...try to pick up more races with the MAJORITY of people who are "cheeseburger" racers. That is NOT test and tuning...that is real "street" racing in a legal environment.

Revamp RSD to something similar to this, and I guarantee I would be at every one of them I possibly could be at. Your attendance would sky rocket. Quit being so stubborn and try it a couple times if you don't believe me...I dare you...and lower the f'n price.

[Greg@GLD]

There's a method to my madness. I figured that the longer this goes on, the more insight people will gain and see what it's like trying to talk sense to Puffy. You couldn't convince this guy that his name is Brian...

He thinks the "answer" is his car. He's convinced once his pro-mod is back on the strip, everyone will come back.

Ohhhhhh kay.

[Korndogg]

does anybody really give a shit about his car besides him and the chitown guys? just wondering?

[T-Bag]

Also Brian,if you want a race....find a street bike to hop on and race me....or if you want to race my nearly stock DD find a 14 second car that you can hop in and pull off a fair race. No race car... I don't feel like being a Metal and Concrete barrier sandwhich if you run it into the wall. I don't think helmets and riding gear were designed for that :rolf

$50 and a round of your beer of choice.

[scottie K]

There's a method to my madness. I figured that the longer this goes on, the more insight people will gain and see what it's like trying to talk sense to Puffy. You couldn't convince this guy that his name is Brian...

He thinks the "answer" is his car. He's convinced once his pro-mod is back on the strip, everyone will come back.

Ohhhhhh kay.



DING DING FREYS ARE DONE!!!:alcoholic

[T-Bag]

He thinks the "answer" is his car. He's convinced once his pro-mod is back on the strip, everyone will come back.

Ohhhhhh kay.

You're right....every STREET racer must be DIEING to race their street cars against a blown alcohol 100% -without-a-shade-of-doubt RACE car.

That's the way to bring people in!

[Breecher_7]

Puff is an oxygen thief..... Period...... :alcoholic

[badass88gt]

does anybody really give a shit about his car besides him and the chitown guys? just wondering?

The Chitown guys give a shit about his car? News to me....

[moels]

Was RSD started to get the street racers off the street and racing in a safe environment? If so, I think Brian is missing the whole picture when it comes to the event. Most cars racing on the street are High 11 - 16 second cars, not the non street legal big time race cars. If RSD was meant for those cars, maybe rename it Big Badass Non Street Legal Drags.

Just a thought

[Breecher_7]

Was RSD started to get the street racers off the street and racing in a safe environment? If so, I think Brian is missing the whole picture when it comes to the event. Most cars racing on the street are High 11 - 16 second cars, not the non street legal big time race cars. If RSD was meant for those cars, maybe rename it Big Badass Non Street Legal Drags.

Just a thought

I could not agree more. :thumbsup

[ND4SPD]

There's a method to my madness. I figured that the longer this goes on, the more insight people will gain and see what it's like trying to talk sense to Puffy. You couldn't convince this guy that his name is Brian...

He thinks the "answer" is his car. He's convinced once his pro-mod is back on the strip, everyone will come back.

Ohhhhhh kay.

With each page, I am developing more and more respect for the GLD staff that has to deal with him. I've seen Spec. Ed. Teachers with less patience than you guys.

So, Cliff's notes are basically Brian says that RSD is an event that caters to the deep-pocketed egomaniacs... what a noble cause. That's much more noble than getting the racing off the streets and saving lives. I'm glad Puff's got his priorities straight... especially when we see who's really footing the bill for RSDs.

[Breecher_7]

With each page, I am developing more and more respect for the GLD staff that has to deal with him. I've seen Spec. Ed. Teachers with less patience than you guys.


Obviously they CHOOSE to deal with him.... Although I cannot understand why as his event cant possibly make shit for money and seems to be pissing ALOT of people off.

I say send him to Byron and keep him there. :thumbsup

[Darrell]

does anybody really give a shit about his car besides him and the chitown guys? just wondering?


Only he gives a shit about his car, nobody else does. Everyone on Chitown hates him too, just like every other website. The only people that listen to anything he has to say are the 10 or so people that visit his super high traffic RSD website.

[scaleracer]

There's a method to my madness. I figured that the longer this goes on, the more insight people will gain and see what it's like trying to talk sense to Puffy. You couldn't convince this guy that his name is Brian...

He thinks the "answer" is his car. He's convinced once his pro-mod is back on the strip, everyone will come back.

Ohhhhhh kay.

Agreed! And nobody wants to see this rat trap..

The Chitown guys give a shit about his car? News to me....
Same here I only see people telling him to get it done!

Only he gives a shit about his car, nobody else does. Everyone on Chitown hates him too, just like every other website. The only people that listen to anything he has to say are the 10 or so people that visit his super high traffic RSD website.
Never been to the RSD website probably never will.. But I know theres people out there that will run him with his race car.. Brian so far has only made "safe races" and calling out dd street cars only a couple real races..

[70 cutlass 442]

any word on current dollars for side betting?

[fivonut]

RSD is not GEARED for that... we are looking for *RACERS* not T&T guys.

Why are you so upset? They have plenty of days for non racers like you to hotlap.

Why cry about RSD? RSD isnt for everybody... just like Bracket days, junior days, import days, ect.

RSD = Street racing day, not test and tune.


:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

You really don't have an ounce of gray matter do ya?!?! When have I EVER said all I want to do is TNT? I'm pretty sure I've been saying all along that I'd like to come to RSD and set up races for small cash. I think someone already said they bring 20-50 cash. According to you RSD IS NOT for those people. Some of us like to set up races for small cash just for a little fun. TNT does not make it easy to set up races, RSD obviously doesn't want us. So what are we to do??? My suggestion is that GLD and WIR get rid you of your dumb ass and create an event that 80%-90% of it's customers WANT TO ATTEND, not continue to cater to a moron who's plenty happy drawing only 10%-20% AND is going to great lengths to DRIVE AWAY the 80%-90% that feed their pockets. I don't expect you to comprehend any of this so why don't just hit that quote button utter some trivial nonsense and add a lil rolling smiley for effect.

I like Greg's idea, let's show RSD just how much we nonracers support his event, BY NOT GOING ANYMORE!! By this time next year we'll be discussing what to call our NEW event.

[That_Guy]

Was RSD started to get the street racers off the street and racing in a safe environment? If so, I think Brian is missing the whole picture when it comes to the event. Most cars racing on the street are High 11 - 16 second cars, not the non street legal big time race cars. If RSD was meant for those cars, maybe rename it Big Badass Non Street Legal Drags.

Just a thought

qft i would love to bring my friends down and get some legit races off at the track but last time i went down to rsd i waited about 2 hrs while the big boys got to have there fun then when it came time to line up all the 13's -16's cars where treated as if they where a HUGE inconvenience... well i say **** that noise i didnt spend 40 dollars to get 2 runs in while the strait up drag cars get to race each other all night... i can get almost as good 1/4 mile times by using my dashhawk and thats already been payed for. to be perfectly honest with you the reason why people arent coming is because this even is ran by a bunch of ass clowns who are scaring away the people who this event really should be for.

[badass88gt]

I like Greg's idea, let's show RSD just how much we nonracers support his event, BY NOT GOING ANYMORE!! By this time next year we'll be discussing what to call our NEW event.

Problem for us is I dont think WIR would replace it with something else. They dont care much about any of the internet/Puffy bullshit.

[scottie K]

thats it ......


SSD = SCOTTYK STREET DRAGS ...????????????/ $25.00 TO GETIN....

PRO TREE --- GETS TIME SLIPS ALL NITE
LANE 2-3 TEST N TUNE TILL 9PM...
LANE 4-5 20-$50

SHORT STAGIN $100.00 OR ,,MORE


IM JUST KIDDING GUYS!!!!

[Breecher_7]

thats it ......


SSD = SCOTTYK STREET DRAGS ...????????????/ $25.00 TO GETIN....

PRO TREE --- GETS TIME SLIPS ALL NITE
LANE 2-3 TEST N TUNE TILL 9PM...
LANE 4-5 20-$50

SHORT STAGIN $100.00 OR ,,MORE


IM JUST KIDDING GUYS!!!!

I vote for Scottie K Reform..... :thumbsup

[Greg@GLD]

Was RSD started to get the street racers off the street and racing in a safe environment? If so, I think Brian is missing the whole picture when it comes to the event. Most cars racing on the street are High 11 - 16 second cars, not the non street legal big time race cars. If RSD was meant for those cars, maybe rename it Big Badass Non Street Legal Drags.

Just a thought

This is perfectly timed.

Brian, are you listening??

(no)

Wayne, yesterday afternoon, in yet another cell-phone battery killing marathon, I asked him straight up if he's forgotten the original concept of his own idea, or, was that just BS and he never intended for RSD to be what it's been presented as in the news clips and description on his website. He kept saying "test and tune" and I kept saying YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE GUYS WHO ARE TELLING YOU THEY LIKE YOUR IDEA AND WANT TO TAKE PART IN IT!!!

He's just not gonna listen. It's to the point where enough has been said now, several of us have tried to get him to understand. It's like dealing with a teenager who knows better than the adults. Sometimes ya gotta let them sink and then eventually they come around to logical thought.

[Greg@GLD]

thats it ......


SSD = SCOTTYK STREET DRAGS ...????????????/ $25.00 TO GETIN....

PRO TREE --- GETS TIME SLIPS ALL NITE
LANE 2-3 TEST N TUNE TILL 9PM...
LANE 4-5 20-$50

SHORT STAGIN $100.00 OR ,,MORE


IM JUST KIDDING GUYS!!!!

You left out "And all customers get treated with the respect they deserve, no matter what they drive, no matter how fast or how slow they may be"

:thumbsup

[That_Guy]

thats it ......


SSD = SCOTTYK STREET DRAGS ...????????????/ $25.00 TO GETIN....

PRO TREE --- GETS TIME SLIPS ALL NITE
LANE 2-3 TEST N TUNE TILL 9PM...
LANE 4-5 20-$50

SHORT STAGIN $100.00 OR ,,MORE


IM JUST KIDDING GUYS!!!!

its are savior... lol

[TURTLE]

You left out "And all customers get treated with the respect they deserve, no matter what they drive, no matter how fast or how slow they may be"

:thumbsup

amen brotha! because for every single d car at an rsd, there's 3-4 12-16 second cars... do the math... who's paying?

and if fluffy still wants to get clipped by a non-turbo neon... be my guest... on a test and tune night... :rolf:rolf:rolf no rsd's for me!

[Darrell]

Never been to the RSD website probably never will.. But I know theres people out there that will run him with his race car.. Brian so far has only made "safe races" and calling out dd street cars only a couple real races..

Yes, he is the king of safe racing. If someone calls him out he will make excuses if he has any doubt in his mind about winning. He has "ways" of knowing if he has you covered or not. A couple years ago he had one of his nut swingers pull his starter wire off so his car wouldn't start. Funny stuff.

[Darrell]

Problem for us is I dont think WIR would replace it with something else. They dont care much about any of the internet/Puffy bullshit.

Oh, they do care but you are right about them probably not replacing the event.

[badass88gt]

He needs to get on YB.com and start calling guys out...

[Darrell]

He needs to get on YB.com and start calling guys out...

Sure, that will happen soon. Those cars are in his league. He doesn't have a 100% chance of winning.

[T-Bag]

Yes, he is the king of safe racing. If someone calls him out he will make excuses if he has any doubt in his mind about winning. He has "ways" of knowing if he has you covered or not. A couple years ago he had one of his nut swingers pull his starter wire off so his car wouldn't start. Funny stuff.

Bwahaha that's pretty pathetic. I'd rather be a "non-racer" than a safe racing sally.